I think that's why, for all the abuse they take (much of it justified), the idea of race-bending existing heroes (even to a Sam Wilson as Cap, Jon Stewart as GL thing) makes sense; you can launch more diverse characters under the protection of existing franchises. And so long as the character is new, unique, and…

Here's my fan-wank on that: Both Captain America and Batman had to relentlessly train and hone their bodies to get where they are. Consequently, they both a) have a very precise sense of how their bodies work, similar to an elite athlete; and b) have a little bit of a chip on their shoulder about the no-powers thing.…

At least at that time, in continuity, Dick's relationship with Bruce was strained (precisely because Dick didn't want to be "the next Bruce").

Also, the Cap outfit with wings looks surprisingly cool.

It helps, too, that Thor clearly has limits. Hell, so does Odin. There's something above and beyond them, so a monotheist can still rock and roll.

That's not really saying a whole lot though, is it? "Better than the character the show unceremoniously disappeared in the middle of a cliffhanger."

It's also kinda interesting that, under Steele, the Republicans actually won an election. I mean, yeah, it was largely outside of his control, but still, for as much shit as he got/gets…

I honestly don't remember the music at all, that's how little of an impression it made on me.

I don't really recall anything special about the Doc Manhattan sequence- or rather, what's special about it all came from the source material. Snyder didn't screw it up (besides compressing it, not giving it the room to breathe it needed, but that's a medium problem), but it hardly seems like enough to exonerate him.

Well, in light of Christian Bale's Batman voice, I'm not too concerned. Then again, you could argue that that augers WORSE for Affleck making up a deep voice…

I actually love when they emote with Spidey's eyes. He's pretty much the perfect hero to bend the rules like that.

Yeah, you can't really prove much by guessing what a person would do in a hypothetical situation. The fictional guy in the fictional world you just made up doesn't tell us much about the real guys in the real world.

Probably off-topic, but I fully disagree.

But it wasn't, so that doesn't matter.

There's nothing wrong with it; like whatever you like. But if someone's doing a deep dive into a movie, one with cheap thrills is gonna get called out for it.

I agree! …and still don't see what's so weird. A narrative movie, even a fantastical one, still has to play by some rules, both the ones it creates ("Demonic Possession is real") and a few broader ones that it doesn't create ("Characters should be well-defined and interesting"). If you like a movie that doesn't follow…

"You're complaining that a horror film doesn't have the verisimilitude level you're expecting?"

I dunno- Asylum, Day, Bells- pretty much any Moffat episode- are all sometimes nothing but clever.

Batman Velocity Superman?

I think it comes down to just fucking enjoying yourself. Everyone involved in the Marvel movies is clearly having a blast; the Thor/IM/Cap fight scene in the Avengers has the uncomplicated glee of a kid smashing his action figures together (and the cheesiness of it, too!). So many of the DC films, though, feel like…