But they need to believe they are in control, because in the situation as depicted on this show they are. I never claimed someone being raped is in control.

Sorry, I thought you were the one who said that, but it was another commenter. Apparently trying to get women to stop thinking they are not in control over themselves in these situations is disgusting.

Women are doing fine in the workplace. The way they come up with the statistic for pay rates is to average out all salaries, which doesn't account for women's choices to go into lower paying fields or staying home for a few years to raise families.

Sure, but not something like this. I'm not saying it doesn't happen. I'm saying you can take control and say no. You can resist. I want you to feel you can do that, because it's disturbing that so many girls here say it's not that easy.

I never said Date rape isn't real. Wtf?

Because there's no such thing.

I'm not embarrassed. If you are, just ignore my comments.

Women can't wait for men to learn not to try to convince girls to have sex with them. That's what's guys do. Not all of them, of course.

Maybe that's what it is. I grew up in a rough neighborhood, in a time when people didn't even talk about stranger danger. I was flashed, chased, had two friends raped at gunpoint in the 5th grade. I guess that's why I have such trouble with these women saying it's not that simple to say no. I never had any…

Now from what I read about the allegations against Casey Affleck there are no grey areas. If true (and I think they are), that guy is an asshole.

Of course it's true. Some of these girls have had bad experiences, but there are plenty of people who would like that and not feel victimized at all.

Why? Is this sarcasm?

What he did was 100% his fault, but she felt uncomfortable about it clearly and laid down anyway. That's her fault. Then she did exactly what I have been advocating. She got up and said no, and he didn't force her.

I just re-read your post. I missed it before but I honestly don't think you should own that. It doesn't sound like consent to me. That was rape.

It is, though upon re-reading Ben Solo's post, it appears that though she (or he?) "consented", she was actually forced and that is rape.

Please enlighten me on how women "are not fine" in this country. What oppression do you face here?

We aren't talking about rape here. The conversation is about a girl consenting to sex because she feels pressured by the balance of power. The truly disgusting and naive thinking is that the girl has no choice in that situation. I stand by my argument, and do not think it's disgusting.

I am not looking down on girls who do that, believe me. If I came off that way, it was not my intent. I feel like that is a separate issue, and cannot really be blamed on the man, or woman as the case may be.

Maybe I am being a jerk, but I was struck by this idea that they think women are like children and have no power. It's going to be a running theme this season I think. I don't believe that though. I have seen the progress of women's rights, and I believe we are fine in most normal industries.

I actually am named Cindy, and I am in Texas. You seem to think Texas women are bred to be meek and timid and "polite." I don't think that's a question of geography. Of course there are meek women here, and strong women too. In fact, there are all types of women, just as there are anywhere else on earth.