LOL this is always my favorite argument.

1) I have plenty of fun on my commute, and I live in IL where we have incredibly boring roads for the most part.

2) How is 200hp not enough to overtake someone on your commute? Do you commute to work in the middle of the pack at LeMans? I never had issues passing and maneuvering…

I wouldn’t doubt it. I’m sure there’ll be crazy dealer markups as well.

A few seasons of autocross, ice racing, and 7 track days out of it so far. Adding an oil cooler this year to keep things a bit more reliable/safe while on track too. Hopefully it will be retired to autox/track day use only in the next 1.5-2 years though. haha

lol Nah, they pretty much already have a modern equivalent of the KA24. ;)

I literally never said they’re shit on track in my comment. I love the Miata and S2000, I plan to own both at some point or another. I said that having a convertible generally makes the car heavier and less practical than a fixed roof version would be. A coupe will also have a stiffer chassis, while being lighter. The…

Sure, but the market for a sub-$30k car and a car that will probably start in mid-$40k range are quite different. Most people won’t be cross-shopping the 86 and new Supra. Compare an Ecoboost Mustang to a FoRS or even Mustang GT PP. They’re quite different machines.

You can’t deny that DCTs are where sports cars are…

My salesman had me rev the car out when I was test driving, but it was also a used one with 4,100 miles on it already. It now has nearly 90k. ;)

And yeah if I’m enjoying background with nobody around I’m usually at 4k or above, which is where the power actually starts to come on more. It’s easy to keep the car in the…

I’ll take a ‘91 Camry All-Trac!

I’m not pooh-poohing the Camry, it’s a great car for what it is. I’m just saying that being faster off the line doesn’t mean it’s a better performance car than the Toyobaru, nor does it negate the performance levels of the FRZ86 either.

They did, but that’s a very different car with a different market as well. Their decision to not include a manual option (which isn’t 100% confirmed yet) was based on market research too. I’m not exactly thrilled about the prospect of that, but I can somewhat understand the reasoning behind it.

Because everyone knows that stop light drag racing is the utmost test of peak performance!!!

I’d be fine with a convertible trim, as this would increase sales to the general non-enthusiast populous that buys cars like the Miata for weekend cars, but if they made them all convertibles I’d be extremely disappointed. Heavier and less practical, likely wouldn’t be able to fit a set of track wheels and tires in…

K24 w/ a K20 head is best K-series. ;)

Learning to drive around the torque dip is definitely the key to having fun in an FRZ86, and I won’t deny that I’d rather have seen a motor akin to one of the high revving Honda motors (think a modern iteration of the 4AGE from the AE86). I have similar hopes for the new 2.4, but I think people’s lamentations about…

Except they just put a manual transmission in a new Corolla hatchback. I’m not at all worried about a future with a Toyobaru that doesn’t have a 3-pedals option.

Toyota just put a manual transmission in a new Corolla hatchback. Do you really think they won’t keep a manual in these cars? If you do, then I’d be willing to make a bet with ya.

Make it an engine capable of rivaling the mighty K-series motor and it’ll definitely be a winner.

Meh, it’s not perfect but 200 is certainly sufficient to have fun. Unless your notion of fun is drag racing your friend in his mom’s Camry...

A bit more power certainly would be fun, but it isn’t necessary to make the car fun. I’m happy to hear, assuming the rumor is true, that they’ll be going with a higher…

Rally version? Not from the factory.

Not to mention a fixed back seat and harness. That car shouldn’t be driven, especially daily driving, without a helmet and head and neck restraint.