I didn’t say anything about being obligated to support a candidate, I think if you care about people’s rights that you are obliged to stop the Republican Party from taking the White House.

That’s pedantic; helping one candidate get more votes than the other is a way of stopping them from winning. You are now arguing that you cannot add, because arithmetic tells you that your vote plus other votes is hopefully more than the other side gets and you win (obviously more complex with electoral college, but…

You do not “actively” support them at all, speaking of opposites. “Actively” would, on election day, mean acting, or in this case voting, against them.

You do by default, as has been pointed out ad infinitum. The way to prevent us from going in that direction is by making sure his only true opposition gets more votes.

Seriously? Obviously that is true, but you know that isn’t what I mean. No one in a third party has a chance, not a chance. Not a little one. None. On election day, if you are in a state that is up for grabs (and really it’s important everywhere) you have two options who actually have a shot, one from each major…

Voting third party in a presidential election

Your complaint seems to be with candidate choice and platform, so it sounds like you are.

That is ridiculous and I’m pretty sure you know it, if not then you really don’t understand the American system. There is a difference between an option that is technically available but accomplishes nothing and realistic options.

Except it’s a terrible way to try and affect change within your party, because you waited until they have a platform and a nominee. The time to have the effect you want is before then.

No, they’re both evil though. That’s why doctors tell you if you plan on drinking diet soda just go ahead and drink bleach too, since diet soda isn’t all that healthy for you either. Bad is bad right?

But there are only two choices, so that’s not true at all.

Voting isn’t the only way to make your point, in some ways it’s a lousy one since no one knows about your little personal protest, and people who are only politically involved on election day are part of the problem. Be involved in your local or state party, even the national. Work for/with groups that have influence,…

Yes I know, I’ve never missed an election. That’s an awful way to try to get represented. because you no longer influence who is a candidate. The time to do that is between election cycles

Neither is using election day to make that point. Presidential electionso only happen every four years, there is time then to make the change you want, on election day you can’t be idealistic

I never said you owe the party. You owe it to any women you care about to protect their rights. You owe it to anyone LGBT that you care about to protect their rights. And so on with Muslims, and really any group whose rights require protection, because republicans are running on going after them

But in the American system there are only two people with a chance, so not really

So of us care about more than just our own rights though. There’s no question who is better for women’s rights, LGBT rights, worker rights, and civil rights between Clinton and a republican. The Republicans are actively attacking their rights, and even if you don’t think Clinton is liberal enough, you can’t act like…

Because if one option is not good but the other is awful, that isn’t the rhetoric of fear, it’s self preservation. You are speaking from such a place of privelage, if you worry about your rights disappearing you don’t get to be absolutist

And that is their point. For most minority, as well as other, groups in this country it will change FAR worse under Trump than Clinton. Acting like you get to always be in love with your candidate shows naivete or inexperience

Thank you so much for the very kind very words, It’s funny because I’m not normally one to put a lot out there online, but given your situation I just wanted to extend myself and offer some support. I’m glad to hear he’s alone in his intolerance, although if he’s bullying his wife into falling in line that’s awful. I…