Perhaps, but that definitely does not apply to Polanski according to the police reports.

What. The. Actual. Fuck.

Yes yes yes and also: was he there in the room when Polanski raped her? I mean, he couldn’t have been, but he certainly talks like he was. Surely he cannot think that what other people, perhaps Polanski himself told him, is the absolute truth?

Yep, this discussion is eerily concentrated on women although each kid presumably also has a dad. It seems strange if the plan is to have a leave only for moms.

How stupid of me, I never thought of that. This could definitely explain at least part of it.

Mine too. In Finland we have 9 months with about 80% of your last salary and job protection plus small pay until the child is three.

This “It feels as if I’m complicit in the violence” is such a great way to put it. I feel exactly the same.

Yes. It was completely understandable, and I wish nothing but horribleness for Nassar, but I can’t shake the thought that the outburst was about him (the dad), to make him feel better. I mean, no wonder, but his daughters went through hell, he should not make this about him.

Exactly. First of all, neither “socialized” medical care nor free loaders have drained European countries so far. The social security system and state-funded health care have been in place in many countries for 50-60 years, through several economic depressions, and these countries are doing just fine (and UK, Sweden,…

Jesus. This is beyond horrible. It’s so hard to believe this happens in a developed country.

But what kind of laws/restrictions you have that americans don’t have? Actual laws restricting your behavior is not the same as having to pay high taxes.

Umm...a Finnish person here. We have high-quality* universal health care covered by the state, and I haven’t seen these laws against and restrictions for “living life” here. I wonder what you mean? Yes, we tax cigarettes heavily, but that’s about it. Also, according to comparisons I’ve seen, Finnish health care is…

I’m a white woman from a lily-white and very racist country, but I don’t take these articles and comments the way you do. I also don’t know how to proceed but I don’t come to these discussions demanding WOC to tell me that, I’m trying to figure that out in other ways.

Exactly. At the very least, this should not be presented as a beautiful, uplifting story. This was a sad story of a baby losing her mother and a young woman coerced into giving away her baby at her weakest moment by someone who should have helped her.

What? I was just replying to your “orthogonality” comment. It is my understanding that racism and sexism/misogyny correlate positively.

But for instance for rape victims, most of the world tells them, directly or indirectly, that they did something wrong or something to deserve what happened. I really can’t see the need to bring this POV into a support group. Don’t you think that many victims of assault/rape/oppression could benefit from an…

Really? To me it sounds more likely that you’re a sexist if you’re also a racist.

Jesus, I didn’t know about the dog shelter thing. Read the Instagram post now - does this woman EVER shut up??

Oops. I managed to a) forget that the Swedes came up with this idea and we copied it from them and b) miss the above article’s reference to this very fact. Well, still good to point out that we did it too! (We copy a lot of stuff from the Swedes and it’s almost always a good idea).

Here (Finland) the book wasn’t officially required reading but a copy was given for free for all 15-year-olds through schools. That was rather fantastic.