How does someone do that? I just bought an Iphone SE and my phone bill (Verizon) is only $30/month

Get a Toyota Camry or Kia Optima (in 2018 I’d get the base ones as they offer more than my Camry 2001 LE does feature wise) for $23,000 (Camry) or $22,000 (Optima). They don’t feel like base model cars at all (or look like ones either) and will be very reliable and comfortable.

Unless you can afford it. I just got an Iphone SE for $10/month (over 24 months) plus a monthly rate of $20/month (24 months) for nearly unlimited Verizon data.

I’m impressed by the mileage on those cars. Nobody I’ve ever known has gotten any American car past 150,000 miles that wasn’t an old Ford F-series, Ford Crown Victoria (or any Panther for that), or an old Ford Taurus.

Politicians always promise new jobs right?

I know of the ES, it’s very very nice, but I will say that Camrys of mine’s vintage are very Lexus like. Think of it as a slightly less luxurious Lexus.

Older Dodges definitely take to abuse better than some (like that 2002 Stratus I mentioned). I know my 2001 Camry is very easy to work on but driving it hard makes the car behave like a Japanese businessman yelling at me to slow down: “I am not sports car! Slow down I will not let you do this! I keep in high gear, no…

How dare you use logic! Blasphemy if I ever heard it!

Sometimes the truth hurts dude, just trust me on this and go have a look.

Well I’m sorry you had that experience with Toyota. Now on to the Stratuses: nice cars they may be, the battery is needlessly hard to get to. There is no excuse for it being placed where it is.

And on top of always working, those look incredible.

I’ve driven everything from S-Classes to Coupe Devilles, Moskviches to Chevys. I know what I like, and I wrote it above.

He’s on what I’m on, XV20.

Who says the Mirage is garbage besides Doug Demuro?

Only the day they actually make a decent product (see attached definition https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/never)

A Chevy Cruze is made/designed better than a Tesla. That is really something considering how bad Cruzes are.

Who the fuck would buy a Tesla? If we all want to go green, someone needs to get cheap vegetable oil at petrol station pumps and buy diesels that can easily use them. Enough of these stupid “self driving” minimalist, electric, shitboxes.

Ever dealt with Nissan? I know they tend to be pretty good as long as they don’t have a CVT on them. Renault I have very limited experience with, so I can’t really say for them.

Doing the maintenance is always important for sure, are any of your Mopars the ones where you have to remove the fender to change the battery (my friend’s 2002 Dodge Stratus is like that)?

I sold Chevys only about 2 years ago, I know they haven’t improved.