look who’s subconsciously still defending their own shitty mother here, lol

He did buy her way out of an IRS audit, so he’s not completely committed.

As spiteful and emotionally stunted as the mom that mocked his dreams when he was twelve? 

Spiteful is a parent belittling a child’s dreams.

is it? I hold grudges when people say shit like that. Your words have weight. Fucking think before you open your mouth like that to a child.

Agreed... telling your young child that their dreams are bullshit is incredibly immature.

Absolutely. Telling a 12 year old who’s passionate about something that their “career” is fucking over is a very immature, fucking dick move.

Is it? Treat your kids like shit and see how they respond. 

Seriously. That’s a pretty vulgar way of crushing a 12 year old’s dream.

She’s an asshole who raised an asshole... it's a fitting end. 

Not really - sometimes cutting ties with abusive people is the most mature move available.

I don't think successful people owe their parents extravagant presents? He said he helped her out when she really needed it, how is it spiteful?

All I can say in response to your thoughtless comment is that I’m glad for you that you grew up in a stable and loving environment.

Not really. If she didn’t support him, why should he support her?

Yeah, really, I don’t get how anybody reads that as anything but bitter and pointlessly confrontational.

His mother was supposedly a piece of work. 

Roxana Hadid, I just want to say you did a really great job breaking down this episode, most especially fleshing out Tennyson’s poem and extrapolating some of its themes to this episode. You keyed on the “gray areas” of just who are those at the hotel consumed by exhaustion, desperation, and malaise from overwork.  Bec…

The more we see of Shane and his mother, the harder it gets for me to imagine that Rachel could’ve spent all of this time with them and not come to this breaking point long before the honeymoon.

Fun, tense episode. It says something (I’m not sure what) that as awful as these characters are, I’m kind of rooting for them. Except for Shane of course. And Olivia.

Are you sure that you aren’t prematurely upset at him? We don’t know absolutely that he wouldn’t become a sexual predator, but we also don’t know that he wouldn’t be preyed upon by someone else either.