But they negated his mythos and history and made him Inhuman. THEN did Ghost Rider??? Doesn't really work

I just think he beats himself up over it for like an episode and no one really calls him on it and what it caused. But the show doesn't stick to its guns on long term reactions. Even Daisy'll be all better by episode 5 or 6

Hive wasn't Ward. Fitz didn't react really at all and with Simmons it was more about plot device boyfriend

Not the abusive brother isn't a lot to ask

He literally mentioned it once. And there was no payoff. If it had been built properly and not been over a woman he'd known for no time at all, if it had meant more. It literally just seemed tacked on so they could have Hive. And there was no connection to the rest of the team at all. It was just underwhelming and the…

I don't see that it does, he's framed as being in the right. And I'd like that to be true. I think I'd actually like this season if I hadn't seen the previous but I just can't forgive it. And it's not cause they killed off Ward, it's just how insulting that whole storyline was to a lot of people.

What chances? Genuinely what chances? Cause I think once Coulson tried to give him to Christian all bets were off

But they've basically all lost their empathy along with it.

I'll try and curb the defensive :) it's seriously just a reflex when it comes to Ward discussions at this point and I assumed I'd get the same anywhere . I'm sorry for that and appreciate the reassurance.

Literally any other show I can sit and discuss. Have different opinions and talk them through. It's not that I didn't like their treatment of Ward. It's that I find it disturbing that it was the narrative they chose and genuinely don't see how people don't see the danger in framing it that way. I have done it the…

Actually I've been having a civil discussion despite disagreement with other people here. Its possible to think someone's wrong while accepting they think the same about you. It's a forum after all. You got insulting when you didn't have valid arguments back to me about psychopathy and its diagnostic criteria. I enjoy…

I loved Kara. I genuinely did. But her and Rosalind literally existed to die. Rosalind especially. That was her purpose on the show. Get close to Coulson and die to give him reason to go after Ward. That was it. Which cheapened their entire history. He didn't go after him because of everything he'd done. He did it…

Or you don't have answers so got with the snarky. Seriously, do one thing. Look up the diagnostic criteria for psychopathy? Was he mentally ill, yes. Definitely, he had something diagnosable and as such needed treatment for it. Was he a psychopath? No.

What does that achieve? Seriously. We're not gonna agree but there's no reason to get snarky at me for having a different opinion. Check the point of the forum, 'honey'

That's if you think he was lying. I don't, I think when he tried to kill himself in the cell he genuinely wanted to end it. His apology to Fitz, his wanting Coulson to give him a second chance. He needed help, he needed therapy and he needed better than what he got. And no the teams response was fairly standard…

Thanks. And honestly, without Ward its less that its nuanced as it's not needed anymore. But yes. The creators and the cast were genuinely cruel. No different than JK except more frequent and stringing us along teasing redemption over and over until we just couldn't deal with it anymore.

Quite a good one actually. They listened to their fans and are kicking ratings ass

I just don't see Daisy as anything other than Melinda May with powers. Maybe it's being a fan of the comics, but…she's no more Quake than Bobbi in the show was Mockingbird. May's kind of obsolete now which is sad cause I liked her a lot in season 1

Okay I'm done. I can't argue with anyone who thinks for a second that handing someone, no matter what they had done. over to his childhood abuser is in any way okay.

No, his brother was a Senator that Coulson made a shady deal with. I'm not American so I'm not 100% on which agency but shouldn't it have been CIA or FBI if they were dealing with a Hydra agent?