Putting aside all the other stuff I said about the context of the primaries, because I think I myself have been irresponsible in my own message, it does not have to be Sanders specifically.

And who didn’t campaign in Wisconsin? Hillary.

It does not have to be Sanders, but someone who has Sanders’ message. Perhaps I should make that more clear from now on...

I’ll give you that he has problems with minorities and older women, that is true. Young women favorable with him though, while young blacks, it’s only a sliver more favorable than Clinton.

I’ll give you that he has problems with minorities and older women, that is true. Young women favorable with him though, while young blacks, it’s only a sliver more favorable than Clinton.

“Shut Up Bernie Bro!” is not the best way to handle criticism. And that is what the Hillary people did. I say this as a Hillary supporter. 

Well considering he’s open about it, so they wouldn’t have to. And yet he’s still cheered on by Trump voters.

Where’s your polling data? Oh right, you don’t have any!

Right. Trump would destroyed Sanders. The most popular politician would be destroyed by one of the most hated.

don’t bother to address any substance, though, Adult in the Room (just kidding, we both know you don’t have an actual answer)

Obama didn’t win because of the Democratic Party infrastructure

That’s only half the story. For decades the Dems have refused to fight the Republicans on their own terms. The Democrats ALLOWED the right to gerrymander their way into this situation, where no matter the appeal of the Democratic candidate, they can realistically never, EVER win. The Dems never pushed back on…

Only proving my point. “But he didn’t KILL Goliath, so it doesn’t count.”

People can sit there and say Hillary was a bad candidate, but she beat Trump to the tune of 3M+ in the popular vote and that just eats him up. She wasn’t a bad candidate, she was the unfortunate result of an electoral college system that nowadays has a built in advantage in the red states.

I’m more informed than the fucking “the message is being worked on” Democrats.

Plenty of people said He could wim-dems are looking to be “blindsided”again in 2018 I guess

Before I even read any of the comments.

WI and MI wouldn’t have mattered if she didn’t also win PA. She campaigned the fuck out of PA and still lost there. So I am not sure exactly what you think she should’ve done- spent even less time in PA, the state that was the lynchpin in her map?

OF COURSE there was gonna be a backlash.

Obama didn’t win because of the Democratic Party infrastructure, he won in spite of it because he was a dynamic candidate and his election wasn’t a ringing endorsement of neoliberal centrist positions, it was a recognition of that dynamism.