Give me one of those with a modern LSX engine and now we are talking. Bulletproof.

I wish 2000-2006 Chevy trucks wouldn't rot out as bad as they do, I love that generation more than any of the alternatives of that era. Maybe it's time to move south....

It's funny you mention that because the guys I work with would prefer to wrench on American products while I prefer European. I think they are easier to work on while the other guys feel they are impossible. I can't stand working on Fords for example, I think they are difficult. Different schools of thought really…

If you don't mind me asking, what are you currently driving?

That's why I keep looking to the past for my future purchases, nothing new (that I can afford) interests me. I appreciated this conversation, jabs at each other and all. I think perhaps we have a better understanding of each other's opinions.

The engine is great, but in the Northeast all the Luminas have rusted away and disappeared from the roads.

True statement, it is more expensive and absolutely should be better. However, one thing many Americans fail to realize is that BMW, Audi, Mercedes are just common cars in Europe sold in base models we don't get. Their build quality is not diminished in any way, but the materials aren't always as good. They aren't…

I think the robotic feel comes from trying to please everyone, which as we can see by our debate here is impossible for a car manufacturer to do. Eventually everything will be the same and we will long for a time when the cars each had their own unique feel.

It's possible that I haven't driven enough 80s, early 90s American cars to appreciate them. Growing up in the 90s and driving a lot of late 90s early 2000s American cars really left me with a sour taste for them when comparing them to their Japanese and German rivals. It's fair to say I'm comparing the worst…

I think we can both agree that cars like the CTS-V and the Lincoln LS exist because BMW set the standards. I wish Lincoln would make a CTS competitor, the CTS does not appeal to me.

Door panel assembly, dash materials. Yes you are correct I guess I've gone off the deep end here and gone off topic. You provided very good examples but as I've said I think American cars have come a long way from the 90s and 80s, I can't think of anything in those eras that handles as well as its European…

I guess interior quality, overall material quality, assembly is my biggest beef with American made cars. Currently German reliability is quite horrendous, especially BMW. Maybe I see it differently being that I've taken so many vehicles apart, door panels, dashes, ect but you have to admit the new GM cars, and the…

Performance numbers are the same, but the build quality is what gets me every time. I want to love the first gen CTS-V but its just not as refined as an m3/m5. I'm not saying its a bad car.

Independent dealing primarily with American cars and a good chunk of Japanese. BMW technician originally, a lot of Audi/VW experience as well. Currently in the role of service manager dealing directly with customers. I'm not a American car hater, I want them to succeed because I would love to buy American again. I…

The Lincoln LS is one of my favorite American sedans, good interior quality, great driving. The CTS didn't come out until 2002 and while the V is a great handling and powerful sedan it has nothing on say the BMW m5 (2000-2003). The v6 on base model early CTS cars was plagued with engine failures and the interior…

I have nothing against American cars, I enjoy a lot of them, they pay my salary every year but beyond that I find many of them appealing and wouldn't mind owning them. The trouble is a car is such a huge expense I better be getting something made with quality, and the big three just started doing that recently. The…

Don't take it personally, you are responding like a typical American car owner. I've owned makes and models from all over the world. I've driven almost everything on the market in the last 10 years. I repair cars for a living. American cars have always been inferior and I'm not alone in this understanding. Find me a…

What American cars were available with suspensions that made them equal to their European equivalents? The American car companies are building great cars right now but for 40 years they made low quality mediocre cars, reliability and build quality prove this. Not many of these cars stood the test of time where as…

That's hilarious.

Nailed it. They still are cheap, and despite what American car humpers say, they do not drive anywhere near as well as European. America in general isn't particularly fascinated by anything of quality, not just cars.