That’s what this whole thread is about. :-)

I’m sure the die-hard traditionalists will have hurt feelings over it, though. It really Mustang to feel like you’re favorite car is changing in ways you don’t like.  But I’m kind of like... “Cry me a river and then Ford it.”

I cannot take this car seriously because one time I read “ZL1 1LE” too fast...
and now in my mind it is forever ...
the Camaro Zulily.

Road Legal IS a requirement.  Re-read quick facts section.

Uh-huh...sure. I’ve never seen them on the road. Don’t sell compared to what? Have you looked at the sales data? They don’t sell as fast as Mustangs, but they’ve beaten MX-5 sales in the past, which is exactly their target segment. Arguably, the MX-5 has taken off again because of the introduction of the ND. The FR-S…

I doubt that the Z will ever be brought back to it’s roots in that way, unless they split it into two variants. More likely they would bring back the Silvia (or whatever they would call a new S-car, 270sx or whatev) first to compete in that segment (BRZ-Miata and their variants) and then when people start making the…

Define “good” and you will probably arrive at your answer.

Also, I despise when people try the “No True Scotsman” fallacy. You immediately realize that they should probably lose the argument, but only in your mind because they will never admit that they’re wrong.

People always complain about the need for a manual transmission... “you feel so “at one” with the car when you get it right! you know? it’s a more engaging driving experience!”

“WHAT? No, it’s syncromesh! ”
- a Corvette owner, probably

If they’re designed to the same spec as a box with fewer gears, you’re spreading the wear across more parts...

a more concise version that I love:

Hey, we posted at the same time.

I agree, except if you look at the exploded parts diagram, the tires do have quite a bit of sidewall.  This appears to be a wheel cover that attaches to a smaller forged carbon wheel (best amateur guess based on appearance, fwiw)

I mean, how else would you know?

Agree so hard. You see so few of these on the road and when you do, you think “OMG is Saab back?!” And then you remember that they sold a precious few of these as they went under. And then you remember you had this same conversation with yourself the last time you saw one.

It’s better that they ditched the 3cc concept’s cabin when they put the C30 into production, but imagine if they had kept the electric drivetrain. They might actually be in the electric car sales race by now. Note: At the time, I was upset that they ditched the 3cc’s “unique” cabin.

Actually, you may have hit on something here. Bigger stores like CostCo and Walmart have automotive centers.... if they had room to put in a battery swap station, and autonomous systems could reliably fetch and park waiting cars, you could swap batteries (or charge) while you shop.  Walmart would try to sell you their…

Are we at the point that we need to trade all-night basketball lockins for all-day High Performance Driving Events to keep kids from getting in trouble on the streets?

But as you pointed out, the car itself is rare, so therefore the manual probably is too. Rarity and subject of interest combined can make anything, even mundane books, very expensive. Hell, Bill Gates once spent $30 million on some guy’s notebook.