During my college years I was almost suicidally depressed at how alone and friendless I was at times (I later got help) but I couldn't imagine joining a booze and rape factory ever, because I knew it wasn't about me as a person but whether I'd pay dues and suck up properly.

Well, she is from Buffalo, so...

Well, she is from Buffalo, so...

When a coworker (who found out she was biracial in her 20s) told her OH fiance of her parentage news, he not only broke up with her, but his entire family waited on the on ramp to break out the n-word yelling at her as she left town.

Well said.

I'm from NY (the non-city part) and...this could be my family.

To know them is to love/hate them, and to love/hate them is to move to the nearest city as quickly as possible.

That was similar to my experience, too.

LOVED the Wendy's pita sandwiches, but I have no idea what they were called. Whenever wife and I go to a Wendy's, we reminisce fondly.

What a sap.

They only hindered john galt, jr's understanding of the real world, apparently.

maybe next regeneration

I agree with you 100%, but I also have to wonder (because I'm always chin stroking/wondering/mumbling) whether that's his vision of "fatherhood." I know a lot of guys who live with wives and kids in "happy" relationships that have such lifestyles because that's what they were taught.

I wholly agree.

No question. But such is the web of human relationships.

I don't know enough about these groups to have an opinion, but I'm interested in how and why they got the way they are. I know the trite answer is to say they are men who hate women having any power and probably hate women in general. Problem with that is I used to do family law work and the screwed up families were…

Exactly what I've seen. And exactly why I'm staying out of Family Court as much as possible.

For many of us, it's an established community. I could stop going to church, but I've got family and neighbor pressure to keep going. Apart from that, there are aspects of it I enjoy, even if I virulently disagree with other parts. It's not just "it's easier" but "it's a part of my life" and I don't know how I'd…

Jase? Is that you?

My problem is the lack of genuineness. They are marketed as a "real American success story" when there is very little real about them.