Thank you…I came here to ask the same. Like what the fuck is the audience for this and how is this entertaining or funny at all and how does this require talent and who the fuck is this person?

I wish I didn't know how much you like the Pumpkins because I dislike everything else about you.

They're cringingly fucking terrible and were part of the machine of ironic bullshit that started the ruining of alternative rock.

How not?

It really isn't a loss at all for me. I quite enjoy not listening to terrible shit.

I've argued for it being the best, or at least most beautiful, last two cuts on an album that I can think of…other contenders in my book would include "Everyone Moves Away" and "Flood of Sunshine" from The Posies' Dear 23, "To Wish Impossible Things" and "End" from The Cure's Wish, "My Finest Hour" and "Joy" from the…

Nah, just honest. It's actually a damn good record, but the idea of it being someone's favorite is…unfortunate.

You're suggesting they don't suck? The only alternative rock bands that irritated me more in the early 90s were Pixies, Pavement, Modest Mouse, Sonic Youth and maybe the Offspring.

That was an oral history? And I have no recollection of the llama thing at all.

Futures is amazing and probably their darkest record.

I'd say perfect.

Invented is terrific and the latest one very solid. Chase This Light easy stunningly uninspired and Damage was mostly meh.

So edge

Then you aren't listening or you're a pretentious indie fuck.

No, it's a "recent music really does suck" problem.

They're both art-for-art's-sake indie bullshit.

That's not what 99.99999999999999999% of musicians do.

Almost all of that is complete shit.

Dave Grohl has written and released more great songs than your 5 favorite bands combined.

Death Grips lol