A broken window is only evidence of a window being broken, not of a burglary being committed. Many people aren't willing to make the leap from, balls had less air than regulation to "obvious systemic cheating by the organization" as many have.

Well that's rather rude. If you want to continue to assume things then go right ahead. I'll continue to wait for actual evidence with the rest of the people who don't rush to judgement.

That really depends on if you believe the refs actually measured the balls before the game and didn't just do a "feel" test and approved them without checking. There have been no facts presented about what happened or what could have happened. There has been one "leak" that has been changed and contradicted many…

There has been no evidence presented that the Patriots or their staff tampered with the balls after they were checked by the refs. That is what the rule violation would be, so far we only know that some of the balls had lower psi. We don't know how much or if they were lower when presented to the refs and they didn't…

The colts balls have nothing to do with this. Also has anybody even measured their balls to begin with? They could also inflate above 12.5 psi normally as well. The colts balls have nothing to do with this.

Or, shocker, neither did!

I agree but if that's the case I don't think the NFL would like to admit it.

They have the benefit of the doubt until I see actual evidence of them doing something. Without evidence it's nothing but hearsay and assumptions based on other events. I'm not going assume and assign guilt based on a separate instance of violating a rule. I'm of the opinion that guilt has to be proven by the accuser,…

Pretty sure I said I would need evidence that they cheated in those games for those games to be under question. AFAIK we don't have any evidence of anything happening in those games so I'm not assuming guilt based on a different instance of violating the rules.

True I guess I was more wondering about the whole "cheating" accusation and where a rule violation becomes cheating and where it doesn't?

Hmm I guess. The NFL rules state that if the ball is altered then whoever did it gets fined, seems like the league itself doesn't consider it that serious of an issue.

Why don't baseball teams auto-lose games when pitchers are caught modifying the ball?

I think at this point ESPN may have their head so far up their own ass that they are in danger of suffocating.

Why does it matter what Shula's opinion is? I'm asking for actual facts that the filming in 07 had anything to do with the title wins and you haven't presented anything. Instead you give me a quote from a coach of a rival franchise?

I think it's far more likely that the balls may have been under-inflated before the game and that the refs did a shit job of checking them as they didn't consider it a big deal than it was the temperature change.

Hrm? I'm not denying that signals weren't recorded from the wrong location during a Jets game in '07 which the Patriots then got punished for as it was disregarding a memo sent out earlier that season. As recording/attempting to steal signals is still part of the game of football and still happens, just not from the…

It's also plausible that they inflate the balls to the minimum 12.5 and then they lost air pressure due to various reasons. They haven't released any information on how deflated the balls were yet.

Considering we have no idea how "drastic" the alterations were it's probably best to hold out for actual evidence.

Does either of your theories have evidence? Cause that part is somewhat important.

Not sure how they're tainted in any way as stealing signals is nothing new, stay salty.