Exactly. I guess I just don't really understand or agree with people's definitions of what subtlety is. I don't think that stating certain themes or ideas out loud (as Mad Men often does) is the same thing as "hitting you over the head" with them, and even if it isn't intentional, whenever someone says something is…

I was more referring to people that don't watch the show at all and just know about it through the media and such. I know that all shows have a sort of fixed image that most people associated with it, but I wish more people knew that Mad Men is about more than rich, attractive people smoking, drinking and having sex.…

I was more referring to people that don't watch the show at all and just know about it through the media and such. I know that all shows have a sort of fixed image that most people associated with it, but I wish more people knew that Mad Men is about more than rich, attractive people smoking, drinking and having sex.…

Oh, that makes sense, and I can definitely see that being a criticism of the show, even though I completely disagree with it and honestly think it's pretty ignorant. While I know that "white people problems" (a terrible term as it is) are not nearly as severe as poverty, crime, starvation, etc., it bothers me when…

Oh, that makes sense, and I can definitely see that being a criticism of the show, even though I completely disagree with it and honestly think it's pretty ignorant. While I know that "white people problems" (a terrible term as it is) are not nearly as severe as poverty, crime, starvation, etc., it bothers me when…

I honestly think it's sad that the majority of the public's knowledge of Mad Men seems to consist of, "Attractive people! Drinking! Smoking!" If only more people knew that it's so much more than an artsy, beautiful-looking period piece.

I honestly think it's sad that the majority of the public's knowledge of Mad Men seems to consist of, "Attractive people! Drinking! Smoking!" If only more people knew that it's so much more than an artsy, beautiful-looking period piece.

Am I the only person that gets annoyed whenever someone says something like "I know it's too much to expect subtlety from this show"? Looking at message boards, it would seem as though no TV show is capable of subtlety. What do you want them to do?

Am I the only person that gets annoyed whenever someone says something like "I know it's too much to expect subtlety from this show"? Looking at message boards, it would seem as though no TV show is capable of subtlety. What do you want them to do?

I'm not quite sure what it means, but according to IMDb, Elizabeth Olsen is going to be in the next couple of episodes, so I feel like they'll find a way to have her show up.

I'm not quite sure what it means, but according to IMDb, Elizabeth Olsen is going to be in the next couple of episodes, so I feel like they'll find a way to have her show up.

It's pretty amazing how Ken has changed since season 1. I remember feeling such a blast of triumph when Pete punched him way back then, but now, he's a completely cool, likable guy. As an aspiring writer, I can also relate to him a bit.

It's pretty amazing how Ken has changed since season 1. I remember feeling such a blast of triumph when Pete punched him way back then, but now, he's a completely cool, likable guy. As an aspiring writer, I can also relate to him a bit.

How is it low stakes? I thought the stakes seemed pretty high (at least as far as stakes go on Mad Men).

How is it low stakes? I thought the stakes seemed pretty high (at least as far as stakes go on Mad Men).

I thought "Signal 30" was pretty sympathetic toward Pete, though I've liked him at least to some degree since that awkward strip club scene in the pilot. The main thing that's changed is whether I like him exclusively as a character or as a person as well. This episode was definitely a low for him, though; I think…

I thought "Signal 30" was pretty sympathetic toward Pete, though I've liked him at least to some degree since that awkward strip club scene in the pilot. The main thing that's changed is whether I like him exclusively as a character or as a person as well. This episode was definitely a low for him, though; I think…

I think he's more than a little underrated. I honestly can't see him playing any other character. He is Pete Campbell, and no one else. Just nails the balance between sleaze and naivete, arrogance and insecurity. Is he the only one of the main actors that hasn't gotten an Emmy nomination yet?

I think he's more than a little underrated. I honestly can't see him playing any other character. He is Pete Campbell, and no one else. Just nails the balance between sleaze and naivete, arrogance and insecurity. Is he the only one of the main actors that hasn't gotten an Emmy nomination yet?

@avclub-8960b60364cfbb5ea071c2507704fb2a:disqus I don't disagree with your other points, but Pete didn't really dump Peggy. Their romance didn't really go anywhere because he was virtually married at the time, and when he did break out the L-word at the end of the second season, Peggy rejected him (probably…