I know I'm asking for it, since we're never going to agree, but here goes:

Along with Kirk's brother Sam, and about a hundred other Trek characters.

But that was just one facet of a multi-tiered ending…the real ending was Kirk's speech.

Anyone looking for "the thinking man's basic science" is seriously wasting his or her time by trying to find it in Star Trek.

@Sleeper99999:disqus "That to me is a poor excuse for the current writers to just a) rob the screenplays of earlier writers blind and take credit for other people's work while b) indulging in whatever stupid, ill-conceived notion captured their attention at that moment."

I know, but it's consistently at the top of people's lists when they rate them…it baffles me. I just thought it was God-awful.

@avclub-0ae7484a9f3bbd2a21df420050c032ae:disqus Right! They gave themselves license, is the point I was trying to make.

By "actual girls" I mean as opposed to fictional girls like Seven of Nine, who are an adolescent male fantasy of unthreatening, nerdly, mousy study hall partners who happen to look like the head cheerleader. An antidote to the cruel realities of actual teenage life.

"You'd assume there would be emergency craft or security vessels or just regular traffic there."

What the hell was wrong with that chase across the floating trucks? That was absolutely fantastic. (Especially since that whole sequence went full IMAX.)

So "real" Trek fans hate this movie…and love First Contact (which in my opinion was the most ridiculous, corny, canon-destroying, illogical, inconsistent, patronizing Trek stories ever told). Huh.

I can't understand why you guys are getting so hung up on these details — it's like you're covering your ears and singing loudly.

@Sleeper99999:disqus It's obviously a reboot. Look at the spacecraft! Uhura refers to Cardassian beverages in the bar! They're building the Enterprise on the ground in Iowa! Captain Pike is in charge of Kirk's crew! Chekov is only 17 and he's there from the beginning!

@Sleeper99999:disqus  It doesn't have to — and isn't intended to — "make sense." It's a literary device.

@avclub-d7f43e1fb2d4977c86163d9b0cb07814:disqus No, that's not what I'm saying.

Because it's a reboot. Just like Spider-Man or James Bond or a million other things, they're starting over and doing it the way they want, using whichever elements they like and getting rid of the ones they don't.

I think part of what you're reacting to is that these Abrams movies are such a cinematic experience, as contrasted to the far more didactic nature of the television series.

What's amazing to me is how you've got it exactly backwards — so backwards that I had to ask you to clarify.

Respectfully, can you elaborate? I've already copped to the "condescending" accusation and tried to apologize for it and rebut it, but I don't see where you're getting "anti-intellectual" or "sexist."

Oh, to hell with the Borg already. Mediocre idea that's been thoroughly squeezed dry.