DS9 essentially INVENTS latter-day BSG. (Obviously not a coincidence.)

I've already said it, but "The Visitor" is DS9's Inner Light. Without Patrick Stewart, so it's not as good, but still affecting.

Funny; Inception essentially dealt with the same notion, 20 years later. And again, both did and didn't address it. You don't get the sense during the film that Cobb is mentally 80 years old. Or that Saito, at the end, is at all traumatized by just living through decades of boredom. His first thought upon waking up is…

I'm fine either way. Concurrently might be more fun, but I don't mind waiting, as long as it's going to happen. And I agree that the movies are irrelevant. They barely touch the DS9 continuity, (and in fact contradict it), and mostly aren't any good, anyway. And hey, this is TV Club, right? What are movies?

My understanding is that it was essentially a random Beatles reference. Still a cool title.

I didn't see it until the past year. I'd drifted away from the show at this point, when I was a kid, due to finally acquiring a girlfriend. (Sad, I know.) It still worked powerfully. You respect an episode like this more when you've learned to see the limitations of the show with an adult's eyes.

Yeah, and it seems to be implied that Picard/Kamin can see the end coming BECAUSE of Picard's scientific knowledge. There's no indication that Kamin (if he was a real person) was into astronomy. That was a hobby he took up AFTER his inexplicable mid-life personality change.

I too think it's nice, as a symbolic gesture, if nothing else. So many folks were, like, "if this episode doesn't get an A+, I'm leaving." Even if there's officially NO SUCH THING as an A+, and the letter grades aren't all that big a deal anyway. But it means something that this episode inspires such loyalty, so it…

Billy — awesome, if true. I'm way too broke/cheap to buy them all. I actually watched all of DS9 on YouTube in the past year, but episodes only seem to be there between crackdowns. It's hit-and-miss, and of course the quality is sketchy.

Aw, man. This is, like, an emotional roller-coaster…

Guinan? Ewww.

Good topic, Rich. Too bad it's late. This might be another case where we'll have to reboot this thread early next Thursday.

Stou - What's the deal? I know from reading (here) that Jon Lovitz in particular blamed Andy Dick for Hartman's death. Is there anything to that? The implication seemed to be that Dick got Hartman's wife into drugs, or whatever. But surely that can't be all, right?

I've seen youTube clips of conventions, where Spiner does this nerdy fan-boy character and heckles Stewart from the audience. They both seem to be enjoying it.

Yeah, page 2 is totally cool for Next Week talk. I'm interested to see what we come up with for "Inner Light," since we already talk about it every week.

Indeed. Cookie Monster long ago transcended gimmickry. He's just got a fanatical commitment to unorthodox syntax, and an equally fanatical fanbase. (This one time? He actually addressed one of my comments? And he disagreed with me. It was…awesome.)

Veagouvo — wow, that's absolutely true, but there's NO way that was what we were intended to think. Of course.

I've never met him. But, weirdly, I was totally in love with his DAUGHTER for a while. True story. She was living here in Ohio with her mom, my teacher, another fiction writer. Sad poet girl. Once in a while, she would remember who I was, and give me the time of day. It was awesome.

Yeah — my sense is that EVERYBODY loves them. Indie types, hippies, classic-rock people. They're just eminently likable. Though I didn't like "Evil Urges" at all, either.

+20 "Rock of Ages." And I never even LIKED this band, despite being the right age. "Rock of Ages" and "Photograph" are untouchable.