I'd be a lot happier if the option for L&K went to a much better network, preferably on cable where they won't neuter it. Not that it is Preacher level violent or bawdy, but it does have some seriously creepy moments that would be somewhat spoiled by constant advertisements and product tie-ins.

So relative to other really shitty shows, this show is marginally not as bad? The writing and acting on most of the show is intentionally crappy to make the "good" scenes (scene, really) better by contrast? Seriously? So I should just judge everything by the crappiest example of its genre/timeslot/cost, and I should…

There's no way anyone who has been trained as a cop is going to throw their gun away when they are the only thing standing between a hostage taker/kidnapper and freedom. If the guy is that desperate, why wouldn't he just shoot Dr. Fatsoto and blonde-rebel-cop a few seconds after they handcuff themselves to the…

Right, because there have been so many awesome shows that started like utter dreck. I remember telling people, man if you can just get past the first 3 shitty episodes of (The Wire/The Shield/Breaking Bad/Friday Night Lights/Justified/Terriers/Homeland/Archer/Deadwood/The Sopranos/Firefly/Arrested…

My problem is this: if you have a good show in there, why spend the first half dozen hours you have been given to telling it wasting time? Are you telling me that the best way to tell the story that is coming up is to bog it down in cliched procedural story arcs? That this awesomeness that is coming around the bend…

Olivececile: On one hand: yes, having the Alcatraz take on Encino Man would be tiresome quick. On the other hand: this mush mouthed procedural just with guys who have reappeared from the past has gotten tiresome quick.

That's a good point that I didn't really make note of because no one really seems all that shocked or interested in it. Except Sam Neil, which just makes his exposition in the opening credits seem all the more lonely and dramatically obsessive, which (as you note) is odd - you'd think there'd be much more interest in…

I'm not expecting better writing/plot, but I'm also not going to shrug off the stupidity of this crap as merely formulaic procedural. I mean, it is, but there is room to criticize cliches and tropes, even ones that seem ingrained in the genre. And yeah, sometimes I dare to hope that someone who has some serious pull…

Don't forget, the kidnappee's little brother saw the whole thing go down, but decided not to bother telling anyone until overwhelmed by the raw empathy and awesomeness radiating from blonde-rebel-cop. Then he'll mention how some weird guy that has been around their house snatched his brother in the middle of the…

Yep. But no one back then put the clues together the way anyone perusing the paperwork and newspaper clippings in the modern times can. Stupid shows like Criminal Minds have mostly infallible experts, so far Alcatraz has completely infallible amateurs. Certainly, adapting to things like people carrying phones around…

I do have to agree, there was absolutely NO suspense re: the little kid. And Jesus fucking jumped up Christ,the guy taking the little kid hostage, convincing the cop to throw away her gun, phone, and keys (no matter, shooting through handcuffs is not only easy, it's so safe there's no need to hesitate in case you get…

Who was doing the good acting there? I really thought that Dr. Hoho's moralizing hysterics were some of the flattest line readings I've ever heard, while at the same time seeming vaguely scene chewing. Then you have Sam Neil emoting via Top-Gun-tantrum and blonde-rebel-cop-genius putting two and two together about…

I have an idea: that you'll be disappointed.

There really are so many short cuts, problems, and eye rolling cliches already on parade in this show that it is hard to know where to begin listing them. Having rebel-blonde-cop drive a mint restored muscle car was so fitting the archetype I almost laughed. Just imagine how hard it would be to catch a criminal who…

McPickle: Actually the Count of Monte Cristo escaped prison by replacing the corpse of his friend with himself - expecting that he would dig himself out of the shallow grave and escape, but being thrown off a cliff into the see instead. His deception was discovered almost immediately (he thought one of the jailers…

No kidding.

"Forestraz" should last as long as discussions of this show go on.

Right on, I'll put it on the list and hold you personally responsible.

Phil sounds like he actually watched the show.

I watched the first season of Fringe and never really got into it, is it really worth picking up? Really just couldn't get past the wooden performances and terrible, terrible dialogue.