Yeah, he just doesn't have any layers. He wants power! He wants revenge! The end. He's pretty much this series' only villain without shades of gray.

OH MY GOD

You know, it had just never occurred to me that the writing in this episode was bad. I agree with many Oliver's points, but between what a great character Macbeth is, the expansion of the world's possibilities with the Gargoyles moving out of the castle, and the big Demona teaser at the end? Indispensable, if ugly,…

Nah, Gargoyles/historical Macbeth is much older than Shakespeare. Greg Weisman has talked about the two of them palling around in Shakespeare's time.

Yeah, it's not really so bad when you know that it is, someday, going to end.

That's the scene that best shows Goliath doesn't really give a shit about secrecy.

"When we first saw Demona, she was one of the good guys, but events forced her to become the villain she is today."
I disagree. I think we see in all of her flashbacks that Demona's path to villainy was made of her own choices. She's lived through a lot of shit, for sure, but she caused most of it. She got the clan…

I always liked the resolution, but I would have liked it better if it had come up again—as in, it turns out Goliath is immune to spells from there on out.

You're nitpicking subjunctive tense on an internet message board?  You must be the life of every party.

You're nitpicking subjunctive tense on an internet message board?  You must be the life of every party.

If it was a man, nobody would have asked the question.

If it was a man, nobody would have asked the question.

I think there's a theme (not the major theme, but in there) that the rich have a responsibility to the poor.  It's there in the whole boys' home/orphanage thing, and in Selina Kyle's bitterness, and in Bruce Wayne making fun of charity dinners.  That's why Wayne turns the manor over to the orphans.  I don't think the…

I think there's a theme (not the major theme, but in there) that the rich have a responsibility to the poor.  It's there in the whole boys' home/orphanage thing, and in Selina Kyle's bitterness, and in Bruce Wayne making fun of charity dinners.  That's why Wayne turns the manor over to the orphans.  I don't think the…

Very much agreed.  If Ledger was alive, he would have been the one running something like Bane's scheme.

Very much agreed.  If Ledger was alive, he would have been the one running something like Bane's scheme.

Maybe he's hot and sex is fun?

Maybe he's hot and sex is fun?

Bane's scheme wasn't Occupy, it was the French Revolution (and pretty heavy-handedly the French Revolution, at that). 

Bane's scheme wasn't Occupy, it was the French Revolution (and pretty heavy-handedly the French Revolution, at that).