The Melfi-Eliot scene aside I love this episode. As Todd says the pool scenes are stunningly shot. When they're both in the water tied to each further and pulled down by the external weight with the fallen leaves drifting around them there's an awful lot of the show just there. There's the generation struggle and all…

The Melfi-Eliot scene aside I love this episode. As Todd says the pool scenes are stunningly shot. When they're both in the water tied to each further and pulled down by the external weight with the fallen leaves drifting around them there's an awful lot of the show just there. There's the generation struggle and all…

Couldn't agree more wallflower about how jarring the sociopath issue is in this episode. If it weren't for that I think Second Coming could lay claim to being the best Sopranos episode. First, the question of whether Tony is a sociopath or not makes his character less interesting than when we are just given the…

Couldn't agree more wallflower about how jarring the sociopath issue is in this episode. If it weren't for that I think Second Coming could lay claim to being the best Sopranos episode. First, the question of whether Tony is a sociopath or not makes his character less interesting than when we are just given the…

I think there's just Tony and his life force up there. He's beyond anyone 's judgement including his own. He's not looking to others for validation of his relief that Christopher is dead. He knows that there can't be any and it finally doesn't bother him; his will to whatever it is he wants is enough.

I think there's just Tony and his life force up there. He's beyond anyone 's judgement including his own. He's not looking to others for validation of his relief that Christopher is dead. He knows that there can't be any and it finally doesn't bother him; his will to whatever it is he wants is enough.

I am not sure whether Christopher is a tragic character or not. At one level he certainly isn't because he is fallen almost as soon as we meet him. Even though he has this desire for another life as a writer it's never a possibility that is lost in what we see. He has already killed and he has no talent. Yet I think…

I am not sure whether Christopher is a tragic character or not. At one level he certainly isn't because he is fallen almost as soon as we meet him. Even though he has this desire for another life as a writer it's never a possibility that is lost in what we see. He has already killed and he has no talent. Yet I think…

I entirely agree uncle june. I think that every thing that happens in this last arc in Tony and Christopher's relationship comes from that moment. Tony has been lashing out at father figures all season and there is Christopher debunking one who Tony himself hasn't chosen metaphorically to kill. That is Christopher…

I entirely agree uncle june. I think that every thing that happens in this last arc in Tony and Christopher's relationship comes from that moment. Tony has been lashing out at father figures all season and there is Christopher debunking one who Tony himself hasn't chosen metaphorically to kill. That is Christopher…

That's a wonderful post Happy Wanderer. I think also there's a sense that Tony's absolute unwillingness to deal with his father in his sessions with Melfi and turn everything back onto his mother is what leaves him with these chaotic patricidal instincts as come over him on the boat. He's at the mercy of what he won't…

That's a wonderful post Happy Wanderer. I think also there's a sense that Tony's absolute unwillingness to deal with his father in his sessions with Melfi and turn everything back onto his mother is what leaves him with these chaotic patricidal instincts as come over him on the boat. He's at the mercy of what he won't…

I really like the way that this episode plays against the final scene of Tony and Junior. Here Tony is scathing about 'remember when' (despite his own nostalgia) but in that last scene with his uncle he's almost desperate to play 'remember when'. Instead he's left to walk away alone with memories that isolate him ever…

I really like the way that this episode plays against the final scene of Tony and Junior. Here Tony is scathing about 'remember when' (despite his own nostalgia) but in that last scene with his uncle he's almost desperate to play 'remember when'. Instead he's left to walk away alone with memories that isolate him ever…

But serious change in Tony's case in the sense of morally serious change would mean confess, go to prison and bringing the NJ and NY mob down. I don't think the show ever suggests that is remote possibility. Tony has come into the mob at the end as he sees it, after the 'good' stuff is going over. I can never see this…

But serious change in Tony's case in the sense of morally serious change would mean confess, go to prison and bringing the NJ and NY mob down. I don't think the show ever suggests that is remote possibility. Tony has come into the mob at the end as he sees it, after the 'good' stuff is going over. I can never see this…

Carmela can change but the only way Tony and any of the mobsters characters can is by handing themselves in, naming names and doing massive remorse at which point there's no show and/ or they get murdered for grassing.

Carmela can change but the only way Tony and any of the mobsters characters can is by handing themselves in, naming names and doing massive remorse at which point there's no show and/ or they get murdered for grassing.

I am not convinced about Bobby being an innocent even in relative terms. He works with murderers and knows it. He holds onto some notion of being better but him thinking he is different is ultimately the same as Carmela thinking Tony is not a vindictive man. It's what both of them need to believe. Bobby has always…

I am not convinced about Bobby being an innocent even in relative terms. He works with murderers and knows it. He holds onto some notion of being better but him thinking he is different is ultimately the same as Carmela thinking Tony is not a vindictive man. It's what both of them need to believe. Bobby has always…