Also, for Christmas, the AV Club, I would like a Pete Campbell huffy walk.

You're either not reading the comments or you're being intentionally obtuse. Did Nolan's films have to address Adam West?

Jon Hamm is a legend. He actually managed to make an impression of a baby's cry sarcastic.

I'm not arguing that no one should make another version. I've literally never argued that. I'm talking about how any remake is forced to engage with both the original text and the preceding film "text" when the preceding film is a big deal, or as is more applicable in this case, contains a fairly-legendary performance…

As Lurky pointed out, there's a miniseries of The Shining that is much, much more faithful to the book— I don't think anyone argues that that is the definitive version. The definitive film adaptation of "Heart of Darkness" is widely recognized as Apocalypse Now, a film that has almost nothing to do the source…

@avclub-3db41011acc2d229176bf6a92202728d:disqus Ehh… you seem to be reading my comments as meaning the opposite thing that they mean.

I'm defending his right to comment, not the substance of his comments.

Other than that the second version is kinda crappy, and I think that the icon from the first version should be able to voice his opinion that it's crappy, I have no beef?

Then the main thing we disagree on is Wilder's say. I think he absolutely has a say by virtue of the cultural legacy of his character, you think maybe.

whooooops.

Departing from the source material has nothing to do with whether a movie is definitive or not.

No shit, @AimingforYoko:disqus . That's the only reason that it makes any damn sense as a metaphor. (Sorry, but it's the second time I've been corrected on something intentional)

"For all we know, in forty years, the Burton version will be considered a cultural touchstone. It'll still suck."

Because an ABC miniseries=Tim Burton major studio adaptation. And yeah, the AV Club would have shit all over that, had it existed in 1997. Who knows, maybe Jack Nicholson would have shit on it, had he been hounded by people while he was 1000 years old.

Sadly, you don't get to decide what's a cultural touchstone and what's not. Some people don't like Seinfeld, or Madonna, or the Simpsons or the Godfather. That doesn't mean they aren't indisputably cultural influences. While Willy Wonka isn't an influence on that scale, it clearly has a cultural reach that would need…

Nah, Helena's crazy talented. Maybe she shouldn't be used quite as as often, but it's much more a case of a powerful weapon in the wrong hands than a bad actress.

girl who likes shitty sports team>guy who likes terrible cartoon/mediocre video game+genitalia

Oh @avclub-3ef00cbe8a65af09beddab1c55e103fd:disqus … that's exactly the point.

Fair, @avclub-3be42d8a3412057f79af152555e39bd4:disqus , I'm a lot more on board with his right to the "insult" comments, than the "I just don't see the point". Seems like his beef was with Warner, rather than Burton/Depp on that score though.

That's a legit complaint (not acknowledging the source of the material), and I have a lot more sympathy for Wilder's recent comments, rather than the money ones (although those criticisms seem directed at Warner Bros, rather that Tim Burton).