But he advises Brienne to submit. What a hypocrite!

Cersei took his power away by denying him her pussy?

If the amount of people annoyed by people's criticisms actually did any real world actions to better the world the world would be a better place.

Yeah but on the show he kind of talks back to Joffrey - "the war isn't won" etc - as he did with Robert and does with his father. He doesn't think much of any of them. Plus pretty much nobody likes Joffrey much except Cersei.

I'll repeat myself again. Jaime gets less bad as the seasons go on. Other people have said this as well.

You don't seem to get our point (or refuse to). We doubt the redemption will work as it did in the books. It's a misstep. We'll see.

In season 3, episode 2, Jaime and Brienne are arguing after they've been captured and he tells her that she'll be raped that evening when they make camp. He advises her not to resist or she'll be killed. Brienne, feminazi that she is, asks Jaime if he would let them have their way if he were a woman and he says that…

Yeah I bet they don't diverge that much from the books, but there will always be that scene. These past three seasons and three episodes they didn't diverge much at all until Jaime took a turn for the worse.

It's because it's one of the major characters who was getting better and turning into more of a force for good. The cannibal isn't one of the major protagonists.

And a quip "the things I do for love." Also on the show there's that scene where Cersei is terrified after Bran wakes up and Jaime says he'll kill everyone if it comes to that. But I don't see that version of Jaime going back to save Brienne.

Spoilers.

Wins the thread.

I didn't have a HUGE problem with it in that I disagree with those who argue that George R.R. Martin and the show are too rapey. But I didn't like the change from the books. Why did they make it more ambiguous than in the book? It's not as bad as the men who tried to gang rape Sansa during the riot but Jaime is…

Why do you think I was talking about the real world? My example was from Westeros where someone made selling people into slavery illegal. That's why Mormont went into exile.

I don't see why you feel A Song of Ice and Fire has been about a "permanent pessimism" for the lower classes. It's a little more realistic than most fantasy stories. Selling people into slavery is illegal in Westeros. It's why Mormont went into exile. What's wrong with "change the world" idealism? Idealism isn't…

Yeah I agree with some of what you're saying. I'd guess some people - like maybe your coworker - identify and cheer or root for the anti-heros like Walter White, Vic Makey, Tony Soprano, Jack Bauer, etc. is because they are strong people in some ways in tough situations who punish the bad. And they're charismatic. (Of…

Why does it ring false? She did hatch 3 dragons and wasn't burnt by the fire. As Mormont says she has a kind heart and will be loved.

I don't. It's a reference to a joke from the Lone Ranger. He asserts that "evryone[sic] is sick of Daenerys's abolitionism." How does he know this?

I don't know about others but my reaction was all of the above. The ambiguous rape of a woman was unsettling AND the apparent change in Jaime's character was unsettling. They're both upsetting. Jaime's apparent change is upsetting because the rape of a woman is upsetting.

I thought it was a great episode. The scene with Tyrion and Podrick was awesome. They've really done a wonderful job with Pod. Tywin instructing Tommen was superb.