Don't flatter yourself! You were never even a player.
Don't flatter yourself! You were never even a player.
Nice post. My take on the use of the word callous by the previous poster and my own take was related specifically to the term "long game" - a refutation of any suggestion (which may or may not really have been made) that Iroh latched onto Zuko as a tool to eventually get back at Ozai and/or get himself (Iroh) added…
Good point!
Interesting points. I am having a harder time believing Iroh had any real kind of master plan from the start - although I still think his priorities are protecting Zuko as well as "balance," and that he tends to make spur-of-the-moment judgment calls with those two criteria in mind. The point somewhere in here about…
I also agree that such a long plan is too callous for Iroh. I'm not sure he really plans all that far ahead at all — that's a very Ozai/Azula characteristic. Possibly the most succinct version of his general worldview is the "dark tunnel" speech in "Crossroads of Destiny". To Ozai and Azula, everything is a means…
You know, I skimmed through Appa's Lost Days just now looking for it, and instead saw the part where Hakoda sees Appa flying through the rain. I figured that was all there was and that I had misremembered — thanks for pointing that out!
I don't think Iroh had a master plan to use Zuko to overthrow Ozai, because I do think he lost interest in being Firelord around when Lu Ten died (if not earlier than that). (Spoilers ahead) I don't think he lost interest in seeing balance restored, however, and it seems like one of the hallmarks of the Order of the…
Interesting — is there an interview where the creators said they hadn't been sure originally? I was under the impression that certainly Iroh was supposed to seem to be evil originally, but I had not heard anything myself about the creators not being sure. It seems like they had a pretty long-term plan for a lot of…
I agree - I had also not looked into the writers at all, and I think that was very instructive, especially in this case. The analysis in the Lake Laogai part was superb.
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