And in some cultures people leave infants outside in the snow while they drink coffee inside. Parents don’t need to be touching their kids every minute.

Once that life is outside the womb, though, they’ll do everything in their power to screw it over.

Rapey. As. Fuck.

Okay, it’s horrifying now but I would hope that would always be seen as creepy.

She wasn’t being sarcastic. In her (now dismissed) comment to me she said that doctors reach in to a womans uterus with their bare hands to crush the baby and then rip them apart, pulling limbs and parts out one by one. To a 24 week old “infant”. She is nuts but that just goes to show you the types we are dealing…

The fact that there is a whole medical specialty developed around pregnancy should give people a clue about the significant increase of morbidity and mortality of just being pregnant. It would be medically unethical not to give a choice.

Um the use of fetal tissue for the advancement of medicine is fine by me. And PP is acting perfectly within the limits of the law.

I am an American. I am not troubled by anything the Planned Parenthood rep said. Also, like many Americans and some of our founding fathers, I’m also atheist, so I don’t anticipate needing any god’s help now or in the future.

1> Not forgetting, just moving on. Congrass has already punished the IRS in a “guaranteed to not fix the actual problem” way.

For number three - If a child dies, can the parents consent on behalf of the child to donate the child’s organs? If a child dies and their parents want to donate their child’s body for medical research, is that legal? These are honest questions. I did some brief Googling and couldn’t tell how it works.

That is your opinion. If the fetus has organs and limbs, what is it missing for you to consider it a person?

Parents of a child can consent to allow their child’s body to be used for medical or scientific purposes - that’s how you can get hearts for babies - from another baby/small child. If parents can consent to allow their child’s body to be sent for study/organs donated - because parents are the ones who are in charge of…

Can it survive on its own outside the womb? Then it’s not a person, it’s still a fetus.

Not an “unborn child” a fetus.

1) that was proven to not actually have happened. The IRS went after both political spectrums alike.

Whatever, pro-birther.

and, families frequently donate the bodies of their relatives who died to help train medical students on skills like intubation, not even counting organ donation for transplant.

It was found that some IRS employees were doing that funny business to organizations on both sides, and I agree that that was wrong and unnecessary and people rightly lost their jobs over that. That sort of thing is not acceptable, in the same way that county clerks should not be keeping their positions if their…

This. Also, there is another passage in (I believe) Exodus which defines human life as “At first breath”. These people cherry pick their way through the Bible and use only the parts that suit their needs, totally ignoring the rest.