Be troubled, then. Now we're both troubled. We're like the Troublemint Twins.

It's definitely being under siege. It's almost a literal example.

I just wonder what the end result of all this will be.

I think it's ok that we disagree and I'm not bothered that you don't respect my opinion. I've heard you out and nothing you said has convinced me that I was wrong about what I expressed. But you're correct about change, it is inevitable and that's just the way of the world. I don't see this type of change being for…

Um, I don't do much of what I did as a boy. But I had the freedom to revel in all that as a boy growing up.

my interaction with fellow men for the entirety of my life. The evocation of this ethos by myriad voices in popular culture.

I disagree. And I think a lot of men agree with me and it's ok that we disagree. I've expressed the position I wanted to make sure had a fair representation.

Fully support that. Not my point at all.

Fair enough. I'm trying to give a nonconfrontational expression of the anxiety ads like this raise in a segment of the male population and the tone of the article didn't appear to give any effort to understand that perspective.

I'm not making that equation. I'm trying to communicate to those that might not understand where some of the reactions come from. Some of those guys are unhinged or just have an agenda, but there is a real sense of men and how men communicate being 'under attack' and in the case of this spot it certainly has a…

Ah.

Oh wow, my first mischaracterization. There are women and girls capable of anything. And they done so despite some boy telling another boy or girl that they "throw like a girl". My point is that now we appear to be going after boys in some attempt to scrub any vestige of misogyny from the male psyche. I happen to…

I'm not saying the phrase isn't misogynist. I'm saying, do we have to make boys and men self-reflexively aware of every bit of misogyny they indulge in? Must it all be scrubbed from the male identity?

So, you think that the goal of 'calling someone out' isn't to make them see the behavior being 'called out' from another perspective, one that would make them perhaps alter that behavior?

Here's the concern I have. What the hell are boys and men allowed to say to each other now? Men interact a certain way. Not all men, but most men. I'm not a white male, but as a male, I understand the feeling of being under siege. Please stop trying to turn men into neurotic, self-censoring, manscaped ideas of what…

Please don't give him a brit accent. PLEASE.
He's supposed to be an eastern-euro-douche bastard.

I hatewatched s1
but then for s2 realized I was satiated just from the comments; all the pleasure, none of the guilt/pain.

ok, so clearly you're correct - but I missed where they indicated they were taking a pass on Helix. Did they announce that?

I cold go on and on about why I like the show but I'd rather help you re-frame your expectations of it because a movie or show people have raved about can cause you to be frustrated if you don't meet it on your own terms.
First, understand that this is indeed genre television, so you are going to have the tropes that…

ellroy is talking out of his conservative ass. He watched two episodes according to the link and view everything through his narrow macho-con worldview, so you can see where complex nuanced stories that indict the system might be beyond his palate.