Sailor. I agree. He resents that he wasn’t considered a good enough guy to get a pass. If I consider him as a person and not a signifier, I can see why he’d feel that resentment - just like I feel a lot of unhelpful emotions at times because I’m self-centered like 100% of people. He’s not “MEN” he’s just a particular…

you may be right and you’re certainly entitled to the opinion. I’m just tired of personal attacks masked as “debates” on issues that actually deserve some thought. Do you have any actual ideas you want to share that you think I’m failing to consider? I’ve changed my view on Franken several times, so I’m interested.

Shrug? Maybe it’s worth us all just not wasting time “debating” people who lead with “Don’t be disingenuous.” I like these two posters from past posts. Watching them go further and further down the “you’re obviously a terrible person” rabbithole was getting me down. Definitely sticking my beak in was probably no help…

Hey Sailor. See my reply to PersnicketyPants below. I tend to go on too long as it is so I don’t want to repeat myself and add insult to injury. I agree w/ you and Pants that the resignation was the right outcome. I don’t think I’m “wanking on” to say there’re also issues worth considering in the specifics of the…

It was already important when it was eight. I don’t need the 9th person to prove a thing to me that I already believed when there were 8 people. I think all 8-now-9 women are telling the truth and I think Al Franken should have resigned from the Senate, which he did.

I mean - the debate has clearly gone to a sour place. No doubt. You are free to dislike a man you don’t know who appears as a Kool Aid logo on your monitor! He’s also getting personal with you - a circle full of purple squares that called him a few names.

I accept that Franken had to resign. I even accept that he needed to resign whether or not the push to his resignation was 100% “fair.” Perfect fairness is an impossible fantasy that only affluent white men even get to experience.

Annals of contemporary futility: just CHEERFULLY POPPING IN to say that, reading your back-and-forth, I see two good-faith participants arguing a legitimately sticky issue with increasing ad hominem mistrust. You both read as honest and I’ve had inconclusive debates w/ decent, critical-thinking politically aware…

Relatedly, how does a person get out of the grays on Jez these days? Because I have groped every single staffer I can get my hands on and- nothing. It’s really not fair.

Great point. If Franken wants back into govt, he should run for the House and accept the demotion gracefully - kicked down a peg as part of the correction to a systemic problem that has held back so many women, so much more unjustly than the particular unfairnesses that complicate his particular metoo plotline.

That must be a nice fantasy world that YOU... bleh. I went to school w/ some of these same kids and teach some others now. Yes, to a point. There are some that live this way and love it, some that live this way and are plagued with anxiety that all their relationships are fraudulent, some that live modestly and seem…

Does the official release still lack a friends-list option? I love the social component of my kid’s MTG time with his buddies (I play with him too, but seldom, badly, and always with the same dad-deck). If this only allows random matchups that’s a drag.

Second these comments, in particular. This was painful to read, but more than just sorrowful: useful, too. Prachi has taught me some things about how MRA gets its hooks into young men. On these boards and in the world, we act as if humanizing people who buy into hateful ideologies is the same as letting them off the…

Where can I buy alla these rich peoples’ antiques for cheap? I want all the game tables.

I ambivalence-watched all of Justified, because I thought it was an egregious conservative-white-male wank, but a good story anyway AND Walton Goggins was amazing. Is he amazing in this?

On this issue, cats are on the wrong side of history. In the future, small dumb people with tiny cats will look back and shake their heads in shame. “How did they let it all go so wrong?” So it goes. 

This is a pretty easy setup.

Of course you know this is a very weak way to forward your argument. Someone has described - in convincing detail and with no obvious motive for trying to fool anyone - their personal experience. You claim that his account is a complete fabrication and offer, as justification, only the fact that you haven’t had the…

Of course you know this is a very weak way to forward your argument. Someone has described - in convincing detail and with no obvious motive for trying to fool anyone - their personal experience. You claim that his account is a complete fabrication and offer, as justification, only the fact that you haven’t had the exp…

this is an interesting stance. you’re saying that your personal experience gives you insight into how the world really works AND saying that wiredknight’s personal experience provides no insight into how the world really works. It’s almost as if you think there’s something uniquely special, magical and objectively…