I recently unsubscribed from a webcomic I'd been reading for years after the creator posted a couple of comics satirising "white-knights". Essentially he was implying (ok flat out stating) that men who stand up for women on the internet are pathetic dateless nerds who are only trying to get into those women's pants.

Oops, replying again because I somehow managed to miss the first paragraph of your post.

I suppose there might be edge cases where it's important. Like was there a case where a brain-dead woman was kept alive till her child could be cesereaned out of her? Maybe I'm imagining that though.

Well my belief that abortion is morally neutral is pretty much based on a woman having the right to her own bodily integrity, as well as that a fetus is a potential life, and that ending a potential life is, again, morally neutral. Mostly it's the bodily integirty thing though. If you accept that (which some people…

OK, I think you're probably right actually, I'm not sure what I was basing such broad generalisations about pro-choice people on. I suppose I just have a hard time thinking of pro-choice people (my people!) judging others' actions in that way. Ah well.

OK, but I would see that as an examination of those circumstances, not the act itself. The example I was thinking of was sex-selective abortion. The patriarchy/pressures/society that leads to that abortion might be immoral, but the act of the abortion is not. Similarly, we could look at why a mother might not want a…

Someone's signature thing on RPG.net (a forum). I think it's just a quote from another user, but it always tickled me.

"Remember, after the post-apocalypse you're not Mad Max, you're one of the mountain of skulls in the background."

Good for you, seriously.

Maybe we're talking at cross-purposes here, but I arrived at the conclusion that abortion is morally neutral after a lot of examination of the issue (well, spending dozens of hours reading internet articles and discussions). Saying that it's morally neutral for me is a conclusion of that examination, not a rejection…

Is that the same thing though? Saying "I wouldn't do it, but you should have the right to do it anyway" isn't the same as "what you are doing is immoral, but you should have right to do it anyway".

Well yeah, a lot of people don't think that abortion is a morally neutral act, but I don't think that includes most pro-choice people. I guess there are people who regard it as a necessary evil though.

Yup, once you accept that abortion is a morally neutral act, the rest becomes a bit pointless.

Reminds me of that article a while back about the woman who said she regretted having her children, and what a massive backlash there was. Once you have any kids, with DS or not, the thought of them having been aborted is, in retrospect, probably pretty horrifying. I have a friend who, within two days of making the…

Sure, but the article itself didn't seem to be, at least in my eyes. I'm not sure what your objection is tbh.

I'm no Libertarian, believe me, and I just re-read the article and couldn't see anything that smacks of it either. I could be wrong though, since we don't really have Libertarianism as a separate political movement over here in Britain, so I'm probably not as good at recogonising the dog-whistles.

Sure, but like I said, my comment wasn't about the porn thing but about Dworkin's attitudes to men and heterosexuality. You can't discriminate against an industry, but you can be bigoted towards a gender or sexuality. Anyway, that's not really important since I think you're right, the anti-semitism comparison was a…

I get what you're saying, and I personally haven't read her work, there's just only so many horrible quotes I can see before defences of her work start to seem like apologism.

Well if we're critiquing analogies I always thought that veganism was a personal choice, but being anti-porn usually entails more than choosing not to use it yourself. For another flawed analogy I'd say being anti-porn is closer to whatever it is PETA does than veganism.

Meh, depends how much of a pass you are willing to give her. I guess lots of beloved writers have their anti-semitism or the like ignored in favour of the good they do, but I wouldn't fault anyone for not doing so.