I had a Prius V that came with factory LED lights. They were really good and lit up the road way better than my previous cars. My friend with regular halogens on his Prius was supremely envious. His eyesight at night is not the best and he commutes in the dark.. He bought LED upgrade bulbs and they were a…

Thank you.

And the carving up of cars into subcategories have never been moments of kumbaya in the car enthusiast community. That is a rose tinted view. Just look at the unholy messes of the Crossover\SUV\SAV\CUV\4wd vs AWD\supercar\hypercar, etc discussions. It mostly involves trying to create hard scientific definitions out of…

You’ve just displayed your total lack of self awareness. A complaint of vitriolic insults that starts off with ‘you kids’. I am guessing that I may be decades older than you, and grew up with many of the classic hot hatches. You have been adamant that a hot hatch has to be a manual, despite a total lack of evidence…

Not at all. You’re free to state bullshit, and I’m free to call it out.

Yes indeed. We overthink cars and call out bullshit.

You are overthinking it. Hot hatch is a broad classification. Just like sportscar, which covers a whole spectrum from Miatas, to supercars and hypercars. And the Veloster N is not silly. I wouldn’t consider the regular Veloster a hot hatch.

It is not just the turbo. It’s the turbo in conjunction with the decently sized engine. It may have the chops to provide a performance experience, especially with that huge torque. Not the most powerful engine, but as you said, hot hatches are not all about power.

No, but check the HP ratings. They are not high at all.

You’re putting words in my mouth. I said that hot hatches are performance hatchbacks. I never said power equated to hotness.

Agreed. Manual trans being a requirement of a hot hatch is some revisionist history bullshit. Its like saying some new cars can’t be hot hatches if they have LED headlights because LED headlights weren’t around during the era of great hot hatches. And the A45\GLA45 AMG are definitely hot hatches. Premium hot hatches,…

It doesn’t even have to be a good drive. Some hot hatches have been duds because of poor engineering, tuning, etc. But they still fall into the category of hot hatch if they are compact hatchbacks and have the performance intent.

Not to mention that hot hatch is a category that includes good and bad cars. A hot hatch is not a car that has been vetted by enthusiasts to meet a level of handling and performance acclaim. Some hot hatches sucked, for a variety of reasons. The main reason that most hot hatches from the past didn’t have automatics is…

Agreed with one caveat. Manuals are disappearing because automatic (self shifting) transmissions have become as efficient, or more so than manuals. This is why you can’t buy a new manual Ferrari any more.

The CH-R is a deceivingly well packaged car. I came to realize that it is a sensible replacement for the Scion tC, which was never much of a decent performance car in the first place.

I like this. I am a fan of tall, upright sitting cars. Sedans are a waste of real estate. Why do we squeeze ourselves in sausages? This is what cars should have always been.

The only thing hot in your explanation is your take. A hot hatch is a high performance version of a compact hatchback. Nothing more, nothing less.

They will not last that long.

You will not enjoy putting a mower in and out of a van. Ask me how I know. Any decent truck with a trailer is the way to go - Riding the mower onto the vehicle is the right way to do it, and it get precarious driving it into a truck bed. Very high. Just search Youtube to view the consequences.

I think that is a good thing that the car sits high. It is better design for comfort and space efficiency.