I am so conflicted about this cause I am turbo gasoline nut but it’s for the best. I worry about availability for my project car though in the future. I plan to never get rid of my gas powered ride but I do want an electric as well. It’s just hard for me as a petrolhead.

I remember reading a line in a Greenpeace pamphlet sometime in the 1980's that said something to the effect of “big companies will do something about global warming when it becomes more profitable than ignoring it”. Even as a kid I realised that was true.

Well you need at least 2 executives per model. One to develop and sell it and one to manage all the service problems and recalls it has.

Tesla is just a benefactor of what has, unfortunately, become now commonplace: a strong idolization and worship of culture icons that waivers on becoming a person’s whole identity. See also: our departing president, “mommy bloggers”, stance bros, ad infinitim.

We’re still here. 2 things can be true at the same time. We can be horrified that cars are this expensive AND we can love the fun ones.

Does this actually happen? I can’t imagine someone paying the premium for a PHEV and then not taking advantage of the cost benefits of just plugging in at home and maximizing EV functionality. From a fleet perspective maybe that happens sometimes - but hopefully only until these companies figure out the on-site…

Don’t PHEVs function as normal hybrids when you haven’t plugged them in? The Prius plugin has a 4.4 kWh battery vs. the 1.3 kWh on the standard Prius, so it does require a larger battery, but that’s still much smaller than fully electric vehicles (the Tesla Model 3 has at minimum a 50kWh battery).

I am a use case of one but as a suburbanite with a driveway and a garage (and there are millions of us), our Volt is always plugged in at home. I’ve only plugged in elsewhere less than a dozen times in two years. We fill the tank about four times per year.

I will once again point out that a plug in hybrid gets 90% of driving accomplished on electric, while using 20% of the battery. Using current available tech it will go much farther environmentally than making 20 million electric only cars that have 400 miles of range. While, yes you are hailing around a motor and…

Now more than ever I must say this:

There were 38 on the lot when we bought ours. 

Yep, I have neighbors like this. He’s a tax accountant. Buys a new one for him every five years, a new one for the wife in between the five years. Hands them down to their kids. Been going on like that since the 80s. Never seen offroad, but need a trusty 4x4 to get up the driveway and to their cabin in the winter.

Hell no. The Renegade is the size of a whale next to a Panda. The Fiat 500 (the small one) is based on the Panda.

Americans on the East Coast couldn’t handle blackouts during WWII, so the lights stayed on... thereby dooming American merchant sailors to death by German torpedo when those lights silhouetted their ships.

How can people be sofa king stupid that they can’t do without a holiday vacation or visit for one fucking year?

If World War II had happened with the selfish population of today that’s unwilling to lift a single goddamn finger for the greater good, we’d have had our asses kicked.

Under $5K I’m about ready to say forget it, better luck next year. Should’ve started shopping sooner. But then I thought better about it:

Trailer FTW (assuming you have space to park it).

Look at the prices people are paying for bicycles these days. You can easily pay $5,000 for a bicycle without an electric motor.

The Jag CX-75. I was really hoping this would make it to production.

Those harmful chemicals from the Changli are starting to take their toll