Take a look though. It’s all in the last 24 hours. I hadn’t make a destiny comment in about a year before yesterday. Just saw a deluge of praise for Destiny and it’s frustrating. We reward shitty practices that hurt consumers. We are proving to game companies that they should pay their marketing team more and their…

Agreed. That’s why I stopped giving Bungie and Activision more money after I spent $60 on an unfinished broken game. Because so many other people thought it was fine to keep rewarding that kind of business practice, the industry as a whole is going to continue to overfund their marketing teams and underfund the…

I’m talking about Destiny. So... are we agreeing that they are all using terrible business practices that hurt the consumer? If so, why does it sound like you are trying to be a dick about it? I’m fine if you want to say others suck also, but that doesn’t really go against my point. Destiny had a half a billion dollar…

I paid $60 for the vanilla game. How was I not ripped off? I didn’t buy in further because... I was ripped off, why the fuck would I do that? The subsequent DLCs actually removed content available to me, no weekly/nightly strikes, most of the PVP types removed. How was I not ripped off if it wasn’t complete and then…

How is battlefront the problem and destiny is not though? Destiny had a 500 million dollar budget. Instead of development they spent most of it on marketing. Instead of releasing a full game they pushed out a game with:

I can’t accept that though. Gamers as a whole are just people. How do so many people just agree that paying more and getting less is okay?

Yea, I’ve started buying old PS3 games again. It’s actually suprising how many 5-7 year old games still have active multiplayer. Probably dying out soon, but I’ll enjoy them while I can.

250 votes. I make the exact same comment about Destiny and got 48 comments calling me an asshole. I feel like Bungie must have a bigger PR control budget.

This makes perfect sense. I can even see that time being money, in some cases you can only pick 1. The problem with games like Destiny and Battlefront is that they made their entire budget back on day 1. Destiny’s budget was half a billion dollars and they were profitable on day1. And yet after the game was panned and…

God, where are you people getting this? The budget was spent. Of course it was spent. $500 million was for destiny 1 vanilla. It was mostly on bullshit marketing instead of actual development, they aren’t even pretending that isn’t true. Everything else has been funded by the cost of the new content. Literally NOTHING…

That’s all I really wanted. ;)

That’s just pure bullshit. I won’t even bother with you, but you are so completely wrong it hurts.

I’m sure some people think I’m a troll, but honestly I’m a lover of video games that has recently been disenfranchised. I feel like we should all be on the same side on this. I don’t understand the people defending the practice of shipping an incomplete game and requiring consumers to foot the bill for fixing it. I…

So is your point that we shouldn’t expect a finished game for $60? That being upset by needing to pay triple the original price for a game that still lacks some of the promised day 1 features is unreasonable? What do you gain from that? Why would you advocate that? I’m genuinely curious? Are you a game consumer, or do…

Are you talking about PVE or PVP? Because DLC certainly gives a competitive advantage in PVE when you cannot get close to maxing your character level without it. It also makes it pretty tough to stay competitive when weekly and nightly strikes are disabled for the vanilla game. And while character level doesn’t affect…

Just for what actually occurred I think. It’s weird though, a lot of people were burned by it but there is such an outpouring of hatred when someone is critical of Destiny on here. I haven’t seen it before, it’s like there’s a taskforce of commenters shitting on anyone giving Destiny a hard time. I dunno... just…

They spent 500 million on the game. More than half went to marketing. It was delivered incomplete, and now day 1 buy in means you’ve spent $140+ to be up to date with a game that is still lacking features promised in the earliest marketing information. If that doesn’t scratch some surface, maybe you know a lot more…

How so? I don’t know the politics at play behind the scenes. I think personally that Bungie and Activision share the blame for Destiny, but really it’s the consumers that are allowing this to happen.

So... you want games to ship incomplete and have to continue to buy up to have them closer to the initial promised delivery? Or you just think this is incremental so it doesn’t matter? I mean... do we agree at least that it’s an evil and flawed business plan that hurts consumers?

How does that make it any better? Is it unreasonable to want a AAA shipped game to include the content that was promised in its promotion? Are you advocating game companies that ship an incomplete game and then make you pay more to have them fix/complete it? I just don’t understand that perspective.