Oh my god! You so totally get it. Would I nominate her for person of the year? Hell no. She is a shitty person, without a doubt. When she got released I found myself placing bets even that she would not re-offend. And she hasn’t.

Her lawyer had them only AFTER the settlement.

You mean nobody cares to look beyond a centimeter deep? Hit the high points and then shut off the brain? You think I’m Karla? No. You have my name. Go all googly on my ass. “Ray Randolph Scientology” is a good set of search terms to start with. I’m not proud of it all, but hey — it’s real and honest.

Well... I can’t disagree with that. She’s nutty as a fruitcake to even try to do that. I can’t help but think that she wants a “normal” life. But you’re right, social intelligence and awareness seem to be lacking.

Yeah...12 years in prison is somehow a get-out-of-prison card. May you never find yourself at the hands of a man who beats your face until it’s literally broken and requires re-constructive surgery. Because that’d be your fault... for all your actions.

First of all, I don’t like the “brainwashing” term. Secondly, the idea that she could not have been abused and a compliant victim before they were married is just nonsense.

Again, I would point you to the Roy Hazelwood paper of “Compliant Victims Of The Sexual Sadist,”... it’s not some wacky document, it’s the FBI profiling document that’s still used today. I would NEVER have advocated against prison for her. At all, Ever.

You’re right. Paul Bernardo got off easy. I can construct a long, long list of things I’d like him to suffer.

Only... and I mean ONLY if you believe that it wasn’t Paul Bernardo’s choices. But uh... given his fists and his boots, it’s a bit surprising that on Jezebel of all places people would excuse the man in order to lynch the woman who was so abused she had broken fucking bones after being beat with a goddamn flashlight.

Okay... so extremely abusive husbands have no sway on women. Cool.

Eh? Carry on. I’ll debate this case till the sun goes down. I’ll point out how people are excusing the abuse. How they think that despite ending up in the hospital for beatings that she was a monster. I’ll point out how they will, the very next day, talk about how women can be driven to terrible crimes by…

So your take is that no matter how badly a woman is beaten, she’s responsible for what her husband asks her to do? Lets be clear here. Lets see if it’s you, or I, that’s gross.

Because multiple people can’t suffer... neat.

That information came from Stephen Williams, but has never been confirmed. Karla’s story was that it came about after she was literally “on the hook” for the Tammy Homolka murder. In my opinion, that’s precisely when Paul gained total control over Karla. He used that control going forward... until she was beaten so…

At the time, I was an internet activist fighting against any kind of censorship at all. The Canadian media ban was an affront to my idea of what the net should be. Later, Scientology attempted to squelch criticism on the net - and I did the same thing then (which lead to severe harassment against myself and my…

You’re partly right, Valiexi. Many of Bernardo’s victims DID report some of his “tendencies,” and abuse, however. There’s no question that predators identify and groom people that they can abuse.

Jenn, her situation was already completely settled before those tapes came out.

No. This is incorrect. Her lawyer was never in possession of the tapes. Period. Only Paul Bernardo’s lawyer was, and for a short time after her plea deal was reached.

Well... you would be wrong. I wrote a large portion of that Wikipedia page.

I stand Corrected... however, Park Dietz and Hazelwood both chimed in on the Homolka case indicating that she was the “classic example”.