Yeah, I can vouch for 6-volt crap. Our '52 Buick is a pain to start even on some decent days. Give it an actual cold morning, and it can be almost impossible.

Whoops! Lol, I meant no offense. The green one is certainly more unique than the black ones I posted. The only thing that puts me off about your mother's is the continental tire kit on the back, but at least it's period and doesn't really look out of place!

Come on now, if you're going to make that argument, at least show a prettier one than that:

Also different seats, different wheels, different headlights (from '63, which I specified as "early"), and evened out ride height. There are some substantial differences between a '63 Avanti and a later Avanti II.

I just think there's a "huge difference" in terms of aesthetic value.

Doesn't look like the daughter/dad duo were the ones deliberately crashing, so the only thing they would have done wrong is simply chase the thieves down. That doesn't really seem very much "on the shady side of moral."

No way. Though there is a huge difference between a '63 like he posted and an Avanti II. I love the interior especially in the early Avantis.

Perhaps it's not the most beautiful car ever made, but I'd love to see one on the road.

This would have helped me speak my peace to a fellow motorist yesterday:

"Attention: If you are in a lane that is ending, it is your duty to signal your intent to come into the continuing lane as well as merge into a gap behind the car directly next to you instead of forcing them to hit the brakes and yield to you or…

The goddamn Germans got nothin' to do with it!

So, if I'm understanding you correctly, they need to make a C-Max with an ugly grille next, right?

Hmm... sounds like it could be a maintenance issue or something. My Grand Prix coupe was originally rated at 29 highway, now rated at 26, and I averaged 31 mpg going from full tank to empty tank on a 450 mile leg of a 600 mile Interstate-only trip. Hot day, but I drove 75mph with the windows down (A/C doesn't work).

Yeah, I've wondered about that myself. Looks like they're relying on a non-smooth surface with raised bumps to provide traction, but that probably won't work quite as well when wet as asphalt does.

I can only assume it would work something like brick and cobblestone roads. Our roads often deteriorate from shrinking and expanding during hot/cold cycles and by degredation from tires, because asphalt is basically just rock glued together with oil. With this being multi-piece glass, you wouldn't get wear from tires…

Except that pavement's aesthetic uniformity is a safety feature on its own. It's easier to pick out something coming up or something in the road when there aren't lights and advertisments shining directly in your eyes. Billboards work because they're there, but they are not in the road, and rarely even over the road.

Lol, I just like discussing it, that's all. And I'm not really higher up the hill now that I've sold mine, haha. I guess my GP does still have more horsepower though... just not sure I'd count that as "higher up the hill" lol.

Haha, well yeah, I thought you might have been accounting for age, but then why wasn't your NG figure lower too? That's what got me.

20Vs had 164 hp. 170 in Europe. Where were you pulling 140 from?

Yup. That's where I went with my B3 questions and to read old topics. I had a '91 90 Quattro 20V.

motorgeek.com is a great forum too. Very active, and lots of information.