My words were theatrical I’ll give you that. I used the word gouged, not what I read, to get my point across but I feel pretty confident that a hanger and an eyeball would likely have that end result. Either way, her actions caused the damage.

Yes - because that is what I read. I’m talking about you implying that the coat hanger didn’t do that.

I’m not going to argue that with you - you are making wild assumptions that are not in line with what I read and neither of us knows for sure. Regardless, the baby was preterm because of what she did so what are you even arguing?

I get it and never said there was an easy out for her. I wish that was different. I hope women don’t ever have to feel that level of desperation or worse. I’m all for easier access and I don’t want people having kids they don’t want. My argument is simply that her actions resulted in a disfigured child (eyes were…

I understand and agree that there are a ton of assumptions being made here and we don’t have the whole story. And I’m not disputing that it’s challenging to obtain an abortion in that state and that isn’t right. I hope it gets easier and not harder.

Bad things can happen even if the intent to harm isn’t there. It doesn’t mean you aren’t responsible for your actions.

I’m neither and I know how it works. A living, breathing baby has to suffer lifelong consequences because of this woman’s actions. It really doesn’t matter what her intentions were.

And you don’t know what her options were either.

Ok, so if I attempted to make a left turn and ran you over as a result, and maybe your leg has to be amputated, can I use the argument that I didn’t do anything to you, I was just attempting to make a left turn? Your logic is mindboggling.

There are a ton of people arguing that she didn’t do anything wrong. Read the comments.

It didn’t bypass me. But I’m more concerned about the permanently harmed baby. Which doesn’t seem to bother you in the least.

So, the baby is not disfigured and permanently damaged?

Did you even read the story? It’s a baby. It LIVED. And it’s disfigured and will have health problems for the rest of it’s life. It is NOT a fetus!

I have no idea why she decided to go that route. I’m sure she felt scared and desperate. All women with unwanted pregnancies feel that way. It sucks. Does not make what she did to her child ok.

Not saying it was easy or fair but disfiguring a child is not an acceptable alternative.

Yes, I saw that. That doesn’t mean she didn’t have access. She is not a minor. The counseling part is bullshit, but again, a roadblock. I don’t know what her financial situation is, she likely isn’t rich, but she does appear to have been employed at Amazon so had an income to fund it. I don’t agree with how…

How do you know that she didn’t have proper access? It should be a lot easier perhaps, but to suggest that this was her only option and that her choice to disfigure her baby was the sole fault of Republicans is totally of the mark.

I’m no expert on TN but I did a search and there are abortion clinics there. So she likely had access and chose what she saw as an easier alternative.

Exactly. You can be pro choice and not think it’s ok to disfigure and maim a baby.

She is being prosecuted because her reckless actions caused permanent physical and likely mental harm to a child. She is not being prosecuted for abortion for shitsake.