Why are you bothered by this? They are investing the money and taking the risk pushing the boundaries of tech not you. You make it sound like you’re the one losing money in this crazy experiment.

Sadly, I find individuals can be reasonable, but groups...forget it. It’s their way or the highway

The flame wars also simply tap into that ugly aspect of human nature called ‘tribalism’ where individuals are allowed to give into their ugliest impulses. This extends not only to phones, but cars, politics, religion, sports teams, etc.

The exception to that is their PCs, I own a Macbook Pro for photo editing work and the presence of iTunes has zero impact on my regular laptop workflow.

That’s not what ‘hipsters’ mean. What you’re describing are hardcore Android hacking nerds (I’m among them, so I know)

I buy the best products suited for ME and my needs regardless of brand.

Brand loyalty and snobbery does suck and is for the weak and narrow minded. I switch brands all the time when it comes to buying new phones, tech, cars, shoes, etc.

To me, definitely began with the B5 A4. The new design language really injected new life back into Audi in the USA. Before that I remember my parents owning an 5000 (with the infamous sudden accel recall) and a rebadged 100. Both were nice cars and very high tech, but not particularly memorable.

Nope, the cars don’t create douches, but douches are attracted to those brands. They of course ruin the brand for the non-douche owners who just like that cars.

I’m enjoying my snoozefest B8 S4 just fine. Thanks. Still take it for canyon drives on weekends.

Maybe if he gave the car some of his ‘special’ cocktails, it would have been easier to control

I vas only following orders from Herr Kommander!!

He took over the hot seat 5 months ago, Piech was in charge of VW up til then. The dieselgate scandal centers around cars made before Winklekorn was in charge. It’s kinda obvious which CEO was likely responsible...

Yep I just read the original article link, starts at 9pm PST (my local time) tonight. My laptop is ready and waiting

Yep I just read the original article link, starts at 9pm PST (my local time) tonight. My laptop is ready and waiting

I just checked and it still shows up as $99 on amazon, not $67. When is this supposed to show up as a discounted offer?

I just checked and it still shows up as $99 on amazon, not $67. When is this supposed to show up as a discounted…

It’s not what you said, but its the natural extrapolation of what you said. Porsche is good because of the cost of what they put into their cars. You’d have to ramp up VW quality the same manner.

So you want the VWs to be priced like Porsche as well? That’s brilliant...

Wouldn’t it be interesting if Piech knew about this whole diesel tampering under his watch and let himself be ‘ousted’ from the hotseat so when the news broke, his successor, Winklehorn was the one in the hot seat. And now he may be back in control without having to resume the hot seat directly himself.

VAG the company owns Porsche the company, but the human members of the Porsche FAMILY were running VAG until Piech’s ousting and replacement by Winklehorn.

Thanks for the input, now I’ll add your anecdotes to those i’ve ‘Read’ on the counter side of the debate.