They have to include the Classic in those numbers. They are still a Ram being built and sold. I’m sure those numbers include 2018 Chevy’s that were left over on the lot.

Funny, that’s exactly how most will read your post.........as in worthless. Just go back to the Camry forum.

My 2011 started rusting around the backup sensors in the painted bumper in 2014. The top of the rear quarter panels started bubbling the paint in 2017. I hate to admit but the cliché is based in reality.

Are we talking both a 4-door and 2-door Wrangler?

ahhh....if that is so important than we should all sell our ICE cars and buy electric with the skateboard design. In reality, they have done a fine job of minimizing the concern by making these modern CUVs so damn anemic they can’t go fast enough to worry about rolling over.

That’s what I don’t get about all the hate. SUV, and especially CUVs, are smaller than sedans were twenty years ago. The big ones don’t sell anywhere like they use to so I really don’t see the “gross excess” that everyone bitches about. Most of these have a backseat and cargo area where a sedan has a back seat and a…

That’s the point; just by putting a manual in something does not automatically make the whole vehicle desirable. And if someone was in the market for a cheap mini-van, I doubt they would want a manual anyway. I know I wouldn’t. 

lol...show me the pink slip after you buy it then I’ll agree with you.

Reminds of a hotel I drove by last month and the old neon sign still proclaimed “color tv”.

You live near David? Just a reminder to get your tetanus shot updated......

Been there, tried to hoon that. I used to drive a Ford Aerostar with a stick. It was a Government vehicle, (which means it was driven harder than a rent-a-wreck by an 18 year-old with a stolen id) No fun was ever had. Now the ‘93 Tempo with an auto? Yep, got all four wheels off the ground on what we called a…

Spasibo!

What? No Jeep? The lada don’t cut it. Need a something you can take the top off.

No, it’s really not. Not everything with a manual is “cool” and should be lauded over and revered like it is some sort of rare barn find. Enough of the good old days about manuals. You’re starting to act like the old man down the street that begs me to disable his DRL on his truck because, and I quote, “It’ll burn…

But now you have to buy another item, another registration, another place to park it. Why, when you can do it all with one vehicle? And believe me, taking the seats out of a Chevy Astro to load wood was a nightmare I never want to do again. No way a Dodge Caravan had that much payload. The suspension wasn’t built for…

But an Avalanche was a true true crew-cab. The 1500 pickup was just an extended cab with 4 doors. Or were you talking the 1500 HD with the bigger motor and bigger cost?

Simple....cost. A friggin Burb is outrageously expensive now a days and always has been pricier than a like equipped truck.

Yeah sure but can a van haul a refrigerator upright and carry 4 very comfortably at the same time?

Bravo, you learned how to search on the internet. So what’s your point? 

lol...I know I heard it as a kid in the 70s. Back before internet it was just a story swapped by gearheads. Then Snopes had to come and ruin our dreams.....