I was writing a reply post to one on Carson and Trump, but it applies even more here. As part of the reply, I looked at the odds of having an allergic reaction to two shots at once.

iOS 9’s News app has permanently crashed after opening an article in Search, and nothing will revive it. And my keyboard apps still sometimes don’t appear, I’ve had that bug as long as I’ve had my 6 Plus. And once it refused to switch to LTE from Edge. But mostly it’s been a pretty happy camper, with slow graphics. I…

Have you actually sat in one, or are you speculating?

Well, if you find out, and it's not a hassle, I'd be interested to know!

Interesting aside (to me anyways): by "a physiologic variant of the female phenotype" do you mean morphology? Or is there a difference/distinction between the two?

Re. Studies: Oh very cool. I know, the AMA has issues sometimes, but I find myself on board with them 90% of the time if not more. I'm pretty sure if they, and the whole field, agree that non-disclosure is the best public health policy, that's the right way to go. I guess we weren't quite all on the same side, but…

Oh - I found something on Tone argument:

Well - I was trying to suggest that if a 9-year-old is a dead-end debate and a 16-year-old should be able to make their own decisions and get an abortion and is also a dead-end debate, then where does it switch over in the middle and why? Isn't that an important question?

It's really intense to hear from about these things first-hand. Thank you for sharing your perspective and experience. I don't know what it's like, but it sounds like you've had it rough, and that sucks.

*sighs* This is just a general unawareness of what "invasive" means. "Invasive" means a medical professional entering the body, i.e. a medical procedure. So cotton-swabbing the inside of your cheek for DNA is invasive. And an incision (hopefully followed up by stitches) is invasive. But a knife wound isn't…

That's fascinating, I had no idea. It's definitely one way of approaching the problem. I wonder how far the emancipation extends. Emancipation opens up children (edit: I mean minors) to legal risks too, right? And what happens when it ends? It sounds like a mess, but it solves at least the abortion problem, I…

Well, this would have to be called endangerment (I think) and a court order would have to be obtained by a doctor. I don't know if this's ever happened. I expect some research could turn up some information. I know doctors can override parents' wishes in the case of blood transfusions, but I'm not sure of the legal…

I agree, sort of. The court is ruling in this case because at the moment this girl had no legal guardian capable of approving the procedure, as far as I understand. The law created this legally gray area and that's a problem on its own - there shouldn't be legally gray areas in our laws.

So, the thing is, medically speaking, invasive implies a procedure. A natural birth doesn't require medical procedures, so it isn't necessarily invasive. Modern birth can definitely include invasive procedures like c-sections and paracentesis, and if you're having a baby, probably should include invasive procedures…

Exactly my point. Those are traumatic, but not invasive. Right? Invasive implies a procedure by a medical professional. So, actually, even just cotton-swabbing your cheek is invasive then. It's just a definition then, and I don't think it's useful, which is why I'm pretty sure we should be talking about how…

Yeahhhh, it's been unfortunate. I liked visibilite's post so much, I was hoping this was the kind of discussion that'd happen. Not so much though.

Thanks so much. This is exactly what I've been thinking about, and exactly the response I was hoping for.

But can you elaborate? I don't know which people you're talking about, and I don't know who to trust. Can you point me at some resource that clarifies what "medically invasive" is?

Hey, thanks. It's not always easy. You're literally the second person to be nice about it. It's funny, I don't actually have an agenda on this one, which makes it infinitely easier to deal with the people who are convinced I do and want to flay me for it.

I'd still be very concerned about medical issues. I keep bringing up one example - what happens if the girl is too young to understand how dangerous it is for a young girl to try to bring a pregnancy to term? Informed consent seems nearly impossible, because it's unclear to me at what point you'd be informing versus…