Yep, as I said in another comment. The insurance company has two goals, collect premium and not pay out. They will do whatever they can to accomplish those two things. Agree that the dealer group could have or should have pushed back on the denial in this case, but they weren’t making up BS when they said it was an…

I agree with you on this for the most. Was just pointing out that the insurance part was probably the truth. But they should have just honored it even if their insurance wasn’t going to pay it. 

I completely agree with you. Was just pointing out that the dude probably was not lying about the insurance part. But he took the shit way out and tried to get out of it. 

The lease is probably worth more than $5k, they just offered $5k cash as an option to the lease. But even if it was worth say $5k all in, the insurance is probably pretty cheap, so you can do the event a ton of times before you start to not break even on getting the insurance and just one occurrence of it happening…

Damn, that would hurt. And suing the charity is obviously not a good look and I also think an easy denial anyway if he wasn’t registered. Those hole in ones usually have player level disqualifications in them too. Some I have been in they video your entire shot too, it is crazy. But I guess if $50k is on the line,…

Yep, those insurance companies are good at one, well I guess two things. Collecting premium and not paying out, those being their main operating goals. 

I agree and that is what my second paragraph was mostly about. I also had no idea what BTFU meant and when I searched for it I got, Botswana Federation of Trade Unions. But I am assuming the second one I got, Boiler the Fudge (I assume fuck also works here) up, is the right version.

I will probably get some flak here, but it most likely was an insurance-based denial. Any of these contests that you see to win prizes (hole in one, kick a fg, make free throws, etc.), the sponsor company will get insurance for them. And it is really up to the insurance company to pay out the prize if it is won.

Agree, Sollei looks pretty good. The Celestiq, not so much and that name is pretty bad too.

I am going with a big power comfy cruiser. Something like a S-class or Lexus LS.

Conquest cash is pretty prevalent in the car marketing world. It doesn’t happen all the time, but there is usually an offer like this out there somewhere on some vehicles. 

I switched to NJM two years ago and saved a ton over State Farm, but I think NJM is very limited in states they cover. Our home insurance went up like $400, but I saved around $1k a year on car insurance.

I see the morning shift from about 2 hours ago or so. But yea, other than that, I don’t see anything.

Honestly, pretty much any car from the past 20 years, if taken well care of will last a long time. Now, the amount of money it takes to take good care of some cars is not worth the squeeze, so YMMV. My ‘07 Highlander Hybrid is getting ready to hit 291k miles and all I do is routine, on-time maintenance. Change the oil…

I was just talking about this with my wife. Wasn’t it the V6/trans combo that was the real issue?

I am not talking purely about “breaking cup holders”, but just about kids doing silly stuff and making mistakes. Just calling out a bad design in what would be a family car for most people that buy one. I didn’t ask if you broke cup holders, just if you ever did anything silly, wrong or dumb. Because we all have.

Agree that it isn’t worth the MSRP. But when they are kicking in almost $18k ($7,500 from gov) and artificially inflating residual, it is a solid deal. Especially if you don’t really need a ton of range and have easy access to a home charger or even a regular 110v plug.

Yea, I just meant around actual stated goals for Tesla the car company. His change may have happened before on a personal level. But on a business level, they were still “just” a car company.

Yea, I can agree with that. He is a master of deception for his following masses and they always seem to follow him. Even if the cliff is just a head and he is wearing a parachute on his back.

Damn, why can this be on the right coast? Not that I really want this car, but if it was close to me, I just might buy it.