There is crossover between the sides:

It’s not even that though.

The E28 M5 wasn’t a light car during the time it came out (1984/5). It weighed 3230 pounds, which seems light to us now, but remember, no airbags, A pillar the width of a pool cue, minimal electronics, etc.

Well, there wasn’t a 2017 M5, but if it had a manual, it was a 2016 or earlier F10 M5. The new F90 is ~100 pounds lighter than the F10, even with AWD.

Are you talking about a GT350 specifically, or just a random Mustang?

Unfortunately, I only got a 10 mile test drive, so although I drove it fairly hard, the lack of “fun” roads around the dealership definitely limited getting a great sense for the car at the limit.

I’m talking same skill level, of course a good driver in a “slower” car will catch a bad driver in a “fast” car.

Is it though? It doesn’t have adjustable suspension, has a basically worthless back seat, doesn’t have modern assistance features like radar cruise or lane assist.

All of the cars on my list ARE for DD. Pre-COVID, my commute is around 4 miles each way. Post-COVID, I only drive around 500 miles per month. Certainly not typical, but that’s my criteria.

Early AMG GT S, GT350R, Evora 400, 996 GT3, and obligatory C8 Vette all go for mid to low 60s as well. I didn’t love the M2 Comp I drove, to be totally honest, and when you compare those cars to it, there’s no way I’d buy one.

An $80k 2 series...lol

The only problem with those stats is that GA is a very broad category.

It’s difficult because aviation fatalities are counted on a per hour basis, while vehicle fatalities are counted on a per mile basis.

Uhh, no they aren’t. I had ~5 hours of driver’s ed training and drove occasionally with my parents and got my license at 16. Most of my friends had no driver’s ed and minimal (<10 hours) of riding with their parents.

Cargurus (and some other sites) show days listed, which isn’t perfect, but can give you some idea of how long a dealer has been sitting on a car.

That would be the Type R, which is Honda’s brand halo car. The Si is just a warmed over regular Civic.

The post I was quoting said “Honda: We’re done making fun cars”

Civic Type R?

It’s not like there are no used electric vehicles for sale...

Obviously it’s not enough to wholly offset the difference in price, but total cost of ownership is much lower for electric.