Yes, it's amazing how this is taken as a given—I mean, by me too. The guards would obviously have been told that sex with prisoners is by definition non-consensual but has there been a single one that even thought about it at all and hesitated about it? Even Bennett who was the one who had the closest thing to a…

I think my reaction was a case of tone of voice not coming through on the internet. After I wrote the comment I read the one about how people do happily admit to rape when it's not called that and how that basically means just…they do it and still don't think they're rapists. Where as when I first read it I read it…

It makes sense they wouldn't, though. When we met her she'd been in jail for probably years and was called Crazy Eyes. The other inmates haven't really seen her in ways that would make them change their ideas about her. Her group of friends calls her Suzanne, but other people still see the Crazy Eyes, surely.

I don't know…there's a difference between not calling yourself a rapist because you think that words means a guy jumping out of the bushes and not understanding that you're getting off on terrorizing someone or having power over them.

Yeah, I agree with that. But it does make sense that there'd be more than one guy who has this kind of thing driving him because the resentment is so dangerous when they're locked in with all these women.

Yeah, I can actually see it now, creepy as it is. There was a character on Masters of Sex who had a similar thing too, where the guy basically forced the girl to give him a blow job and the next day acted like they'd had some big romantic encounter. And sadly, she went with hit.

It does, I agree. I know just what you mean in saying it looks more 60s. I thought so too and never did the math. Now I'm just trying to make that work for myself.

Caputo is also another type of Healy, though, a guy who likes to make sacrifices (often sacrifices nobody wants him to make) because he wants everyone to see him as a good guy, and then he's resentful when they don't. His wife—or the woman he wanted to marry—especially, was a very Healy-type situation.

Depending on his background, I think 72 could look a lot like early 60s. If his dad was conservative and wanted a more old-fashioned household, no long hair for his son etc.

I had a hard time really understanding where he was coming from. Like why does he thinks holding someone down and forcing yourself on them while saying "I love you" makes it not forcing yourself on them?

And not only has he not figured it out, he's intentionally taken a job where he's got power over all these women so he can imagine he's saving them. He's very committed to his misogyny.

Yes, that's a better way of putting it. I feel sorry for him as a boy during that period of his life, and if he's specifically thinking about those incidents I can feel sympathy, but that doesn't make me feel sorry for him when he's interacting with people in the present. It explains some things about him (like his…

Yeah, I'm surprised at how I'm not bothered by Healy's flashbacks and can feel sympathy for him. I guess because I never feel like the one is supposed to explain the other. Like, he's incredibly lonely and that presumably fuels at least some of his terrible actions, but it's not like a single person is ever wrong in…

I think the show's actually very carefully pointed out privilege of different kinds among the guards, especially the male ones.

Agreed, but really he was never going to hire anyone for a reason that required too much thought. The fact that Taystee was someone he would consider says he considers her capable—he wouldn't be considering Suzanne, for instance, I'd bet.

I don't think people hate Larry because they think the crime of going on NPR to talk about Piper is worse than Black Cindy stealing peoples' iPads, or because they blame him for Piper's being in prison, for which she's 100% responsible. They just didn't like leaving the prison to deal with those things.

I thought they might go there with the sex offender too, but really it's better this way. She's just yet another person out there in the world telling stories about him without getting called on it.

They also mentioned Black Lives Matter, iirc.

I am on it!

I assumed he was supposed to be seeing that kid regularly and we just didn't see it. Though since they had several episodes about how the ex and her wife thought he had no claim on the kid anyway for some reason he probably even deserves more points for demanding a relationship with him. I always thought that was…