Haha Blumpf is Hitler!

“hell you are hard press to find cars from the 90's in large numbers.”

Try visiting a poorer rural area or the hood sometime. 

I think it’s a combination of aerodynamics and gearing.  The Scions (both xB and Xa) have short gearing, the Echo has fairly tall gearing, and is a good 300-400lb lighter.  My friend’s family had a ‘00 5spd sedan they bought new, just a bit up from base spec so it got power steering and A/C, but still manual windows…

With all that cool air, I’d say it’s worth pulling one for starters. Might be feeling great on power, but you might also be running fairly lean.

“ Explorer had plenty of space”

@ :33 To me it looks like traffic was picking back up in the farthest left lane, everyone was accelerating and the Rogue had already closed the gap by the time the Explorer started to signal, Explorer guy went for it anyways and mr Rogue proceeded to lose his shit.

WHAT was funded by govt spending tax dollars? You do realize we didn’t even HAVE an income tax in the 1800s, and government was funded by tariffs?

My point is that the govt’s use of tariffs is what provided the environment to shelter and promote our growing industry. It then took off and soon had scale and efficiency…

I’m talking about the industrialization period of US history, basically the century.  Nowhere do I mention the 70s, and I’m still not sure where domestic income taxes come into the conversation on international trade and industry.

David can you comment on what the fine-throttle response is like at low speeds?  That is what’s most worrying to me with a turbocharged 4cyl mill.

Fair enough, I read through all of those links,. looks like something on the order of 300 or so confirmed layoffs in total.

I can very easily find at least that many (more in fact) from mills re-opening:

I think there has been quite an alarmist push in the media over these big looming job losses. A lot of companies are certainly unhappy in increased input costs, sure. I have yet to see substantiated proof of job losses stemming from the tariffs. Will this cause some massive resurgence in steel jobs? No, there’s a lot…

Yeah, and the workers now feel they have the leverage to organize to strike to get a piece of that action (they gave substantial concessions in the last few lean years).

How about contemplating and doing even a cursory look at history and who we were competing against then (Industrialized Britain) rather than a knee-jerk (and once again, simple-minded) retort? We used tariffs to protect and grow our industry in the face of stiff competition from Europe, which was farther along the…

Sorry but where do taxes enter into this? Where am I presenting false information? I can understand why you feel the need to resort to personal attacks in the face of not having a cogent argument to counter me with.

I remember the old days where America had strong tariffs to protect domestic industry (go ahead and look it up). It’s what helped build up and industrialize the northern states, and was actually a non-trivial factor in the build up to the Civil War (agrarian South favored looser tariffs). It’s always been a hot-button…

So we should just keep letting China steamroll the world with their subsidized steel?  Sounds like a good long term strategy bro.

Well they were artificially deflated by Chinese overproduction.  Whether you felt that was overpriced to begin with is another matter.

Metal finishing/fab places have loved low-priced steel for a long time now, sure. There is global over-capacity right now, over half of it Chinese. They dump it here (or indirectly by way of some finishing in Vietnam/SK/Turkey).  It’s an unhealthy system.  Yes there will be some short term pain on the side of those…

I love how in all of these responses, there is always a very overt pleasure taken in hurting working class people.  Very telling.

I’m just saying, if you list “reliability” as a quality you’re looking for in an affordable kid’s college car, a rare Volvo seems like a rather odd choice.  I then backed up my assertion with personal (anecdotal) experience.  Your mileage may vary.

As a smug New York City dwelling nu-male, you can sit and gloat about how stupid tariffs are. But to the guys working in the remaining steel mills in the US, the issue of China’s govt/ subsidized mills dumping cheap steel and running everyone out of business is a big problem. And someone finally doing something about…