She has tenacity, especially when it comes to holding on to what she wants, but not strength.

I agree. Martha made a decision to put keeping Clark above everything else. I don't know how much the show wants us to think that this is just what love does. To me, it isn't. Love demands honesty. Martha has always been willing to let Philip wriggle out of telling her the whole truth as long as her doing that means…

Aderholt rolled his eyes at him, though. I think it was more that Stan is not with the times, morally.

Gaad wasn't being at all mean about her appearance. He told the others to knock it off and then started talking about another secretary he'd had.

Then they shouldn't be able to kill people and cover it up as easily as they do. One way or another, it's not plausible.

I was seriously getting all prepared to think it was well done the way they had her die in that bleak, slightly sordid house. It was impressively verging on horrific, I thought. And then she didn't die. Again.

I think it was supposed to be huge. Martha has always been anxious to be given a good line. She says she wants honesty, but she never questions the soft-pedaling Philip gives her instead. Because what she really wants is just to be able to keep believing that Clark/Philip loves her. So Philip refusing to soft-pedal at…

She believes whatever Clark tells her. She would have believed him.

I thought he was too brutal with the honesty in that scene. He didn't have to tell Martha he was KGB and he definitely didn't have to (implicitly) tell her he had more than a working relationship with Elizabeth. I wasn't sure what his motivation was supposed to be unless, unlike the reviewer seems to think, Philip…

Yes, and I was thinking in that scene that they seemed to have walked Claudia way back from where she was last season. Unless the way she fell apart with Philip and Elizabeth was just an act. But I don't think we were ever told that, were we?

I suppose you could say it ends on more of a reveal than a cliffhanger. But it's a thing that was revealed last season. I get the impression they walked both Jimmy's character and Jimmy and Chuck's relationship back a couple of steps from where those things were at the end of last season. I hope next season moves…

But it's fun watching some commenters tie themselves into knots justifying it.

Well, hardly any women are TV Catholic. And that's what we're talking about here.

Not if they're an American citizen. I've just realized I cannot remember if Vanessa is or not.

The only thing that kind of bothered me about this finale was that it seemed to almost exactly replay what happened between Jimmy and Chuck last season. Didn't the end of last season also revolve around us seeing Chuck do something mysterious with a piece of equipment? And then it turned out to be that he was setting…

But what this season revealed about Chuck — what we do know — is that, where he and Jimmy areconcerned, love seems to be a zero sum game. From Chuck's perspective people cannot seem to like Jimmy without disparaging Chuck at the same time. I find this very complicated and plausible and am really interested to see…

He's just correcting his own grammar. Which was revealing.

It WAS too contrived, I'm not saying it wasn't, but: Fisk did tell Frank he thought the stories he'd read about him were apocryphal. And there was a scene where you saw him asking his new jail flunkies to find a connection between Dutton and Frank. So it wasn't like Fisk heard this awesome superfighter was coming to…

I couldn't disagree with Sava more than I do about D'onofrio's characterization of Fisk in this episode. I thought he made Fisk seem like an unpredictable, but plausible, mixture of babyish, cold-blooded, pretentious, and intelligent. Just over-the-top enough for a super-hero show. I struggle sometimes trying to…

You're right that that didn't make sense. It also didn't make sense that the Hand decorously allowed Matt and Elektra a little breathing room to hash out their relationship/partnership difficulties at the beginning of the episode.