I’m not sure who these people are, but there certainly are consequences - your credit score can get wrecked, which would generally leave you unable to get a credit card, buy a house or new car (not sure where the new cars they’re getting are from... maybe mom and dad?), get a loan to start a business, or do any of…

I get the rationale, which is why I said it was partly understandable, but there’s also a lot of counterpoints, like this case here.

Well, especially with student loans. I’ve even had this argument with my mom, who’s usually very loving and understanding: She said “I graduated with student debt, too,” except for the fact that a lot of middle-class wages have been relatively stagnant, adjusting for inflation, and the cost of college (even at state…

I’ll give it a shot if that Nigerian prince doesn’t come through like he said he would.

You know, I’ve actually joked about that with friends more than once.

On top of all of that, you can’t get rid of student loans through bankruptcy except in exceptional cases.

Then I really can’t explain it. Weight? Cost? We’re dealing with a few square yards/meters of material, tops, and while I get that you economize wherever you can, and you care about things like weight, cost, thickness, etc., it just has always seemed that carpet or carpet-like surfaces are can’t be that much of a…

They just mean they’ll have an electric version of every one of their 300 models, not that every car sold will be electric.

Now I know! Most companies I could think of either offered cloth with an upgrade to fake leather, or cloth with an upgrade to real leather, or were luxury cars that started off with fake leather and gave you a real leather upgrade option.

Right, and as someone else pointed out on this threat, luxury car makers go from vinyl to leather on more expensive trims/models.

So for luxury cars like BMWs or MBs, you typically have options for vinyl parading as leather or real leather.

Suede is fine, but most headliners from that era were just cheap fabric, which obviously sagged with however it was installed. I’d rather have cheap vinyl than cheap synthetic cloth, but whatevs.

CORINTH IS FAMOUS FOR ITS LEATHER!

I think the best comparison for the i3 is a Mini; the i3 is somewhere between a 2 and 4 door. The Mini Cooper S (which is close-ish to the i3 in terms of power) is $25k, or $26k for the 4 door.

Well, the i3 is a BMW. There really aren’t “subcompact luxury cars,” but the re are subcompact luxury SUVs. The BMW X1 costs around $10k less than the i3 before incentives, but is a lot bigger (it’s like 18" longer and 5" wider, but only 1" taller) and more powerful.

You’re right, it is a problem, and not just for renters. I own a condo, and although I could have theoretically installed an EV charging station for my parking spot, it would have cost thousands more than one in a garage and if I sell, there’s not a great likelihood that I’d recoup my investment.

Does any of it have to do with an emphasis on greater soundproofing or flame-retardant properties of some foam/fabric?

Right? I’ve always thought putting surfaces that can’t be easily wiped in a car was a terrible idea, for everything from carpets to seats to headliners.

Why would any self-respecting Rolls owner want to be under the same stars as us plebeians?

Can we also do one of these for “throughout history?” My heart really goes out for stadiums located in suburbs (i.e. not the city that carries the team name) where there’s a smaller tax base and often, a greater opportunity for graft.