Human error happens, it’s like death and taxes. The pretense that we can remove all human error is ridiculous and it can happen at all stages of a plant’s life- from planning to the moment it closes.
Shayfray
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Holy shit.
The Vietnamese have never taken invasion lightly, and yes, they fight the invaders tooth and nail, forever.
That’s pretty much what I take of how North VN eventually won the war - by Never. Ever. Giving. Up. After being outgunned by an enemy that was backed by US forces for 30 years.
Did she actually say that — and the “should be executed” part?
Wait, the fact that the film’s premise was immediately supported by a real world incident which happened AFTER the movie was released makes her irresponsible? That makes no sense. Nuclear accidents WILL occur if there are nuclear plants- it’s just a question of how often and how serious. They will lead to very long…
Why are Americans more important than the citizens they invaded?
Seriously. It’s like talking to insane people. That gun was most probably made to kill the French or even the Chinese, as they invaded before we took over their incredibly foolish and ill-advised occupation. The Vietnamese have never taken invasion lightly, and yes, they fight the invaders tooth and nail, forever. In…
I wasn’t aware that guns were designed to kill selectively. How did they design the gun to kill Americans yet leave Vietnamese soldiers unharmed?
WWII had a draft, FYI. Americans weren’t ALL falling over themselves to fight.
I “came of age” during the Vietnam war - as a Canadian I was aware of but not really paying much attention to the war or the politics that governed it. I remember being told by my elders that the US had to hold the line or communism would take us all down. Music from “Hair” was the anthem of the day. What eventually…
She said some profoundly stupid things, though, and this is coming from someone who’s lefter than left. It’s not just that the protested the war. She said that anyone fighting in the war was a war criminal who should be executed. That was, to put it mildly, not fair to the men who had been drafted to fight and had no…
Referring to the gun in question (or any gun) as “a gun designed to kill Americans” illustrates the difficulty many people have in discussing things like this rationally.
Strangely, I’ve never heard Jack Lemmon or Michael Douglas being blamed in any way at all for this movie or any stance they took. Just Jane. Wonder why?
Yup yup yup exactly.
The podcast You Must Remember This did a series on Jane Fonda and Jean Seberg and really goes into depth on this part of Jane’s life. It was a complete set up.
The whole Hanoi Jane thing was a setup. She was a pretty naive peace protester who jumped at the opportunity to show the North Vietnamese as human beings who wanted peace as much as people in the US did. The North Vietnamese exploited this by cajoling her to pose on a anti-aircraft gun.
None of the people I’ve ever heard call Jane Fonda “Hanoi Jane” were veterans.
I watched the Vietnam documentary with my Vietnam vet dad and when the topic of “Hanoi Jane” came up he quickly said “oh who cares.”
Eh, it was reprinted in my high school textbook so I give a pass on that. A little long to make the point but the point is well-taken.
Don’t expect the US military to ever learn anything. They made the exact same mistakes as the French did in Vietnam and they are making the exact same mistakes in Afghanistan and Iraq that previous western occupiers made.