Tesla was (is for some) the best EV you could buy for a while. This will continue to change as the other manufacturers start offering more vehicles. Most are still in the gen-1 phase, and I am looking forward to the gen-2 models (i.e., the 2025 Taycan).

I’ve owned a bunch of Tesla’s as well, and it’s the difference between something fun and an appliance. Don’t get me wrong the Bolt and Leaf are great cars for transportation, but there is nothing fun about them.

What I’d really like to see is the total environmental impact, not just emissions apples to apples.

Next year.

Where are you living that insurance costs are that high? Florida? When I get free quotes they are around $200/month for vehicles more expensive than a Kona.

I got a free quote for an Ioniq 6 yesterday and it was $212/month ($1272 for 6 months). The Ioniq 6 is also $10k more expensive than the Kona. So I’d say insurance cost is pretty standard.

My thoughts as well. A sitting car starts to break down. Buying a “new” 2022 model in 2024 is nuts. Even as a lease, the issues aren’t worth it.

I agree, but it depends on the situation. In a large city, cars do not equal freedom, in fact they are often the opposite due to the costs. 

Here’s how I see it. If the cost of an entry level EV produced by a Chinese company in Mexico is $45k after all tariffs and taxes, the U.S. manufacturers will use that as a price ceiling and use it as an excuse to increase prices to just below that number.

I also agree that the U.S. manufacturers need to be protected, but the protection cannot be indefinite. In practice, I’d assume this would start out with large tariffs on Chinese vehicles, while simultaneously providing incentives to U.S. manufacturers to develop competitive vehicles. Over time (10 years?) the tariffs…

There is a nugget of truth in his soup of nonsense. Cars are very expensive. Car repairs are very expensive. Car taxes and insurance can be very expensive. If you can get by without a car, you should try it as you will be amazed at how much money you save each month. Of course for most that don’t live in a big city,…

I cannot view the whole report (it costs $1000) so I am not sure how it relates to the conversation. However 70% of the semiconductors produced in the world come from China. SK owns 20% of the market. That leaves ~10% for every other world provider, which the U.S. has only a sliver of. 

The nationality of a company can be difficult to determine. For example, would it still be a Chinese company if the manufacturing plant in Mexico is joint venture with Mexican company owning 51%?

In the article they used the word “grinding” a few times, which I don’t think is accurate. When I hear that I think of two metal or hard surfaces rubbing together, causing damage. This was a plastic wheel liner and a rubber tire. 

Any/all electronics in your car are already produced in China, including a lot of the mechanical parts. Not sure that it can get worse.

Every country that manufactures cars has laws to protect those companies from foreign manufacturers. Whether it is through taxes or non-monetary tariffs, every country has them. For example, US safety specs have been lobbied for years to be just different enough from other safety specs so to prevent them from being…

Nearly 100% of electronic devices are manufactured in China. That should have been a concern 20+ years.

Companies that receive a bailout are required to do a lot of things. The bailout isn’t 100% free (pretty close tho).

A tariff on just cars would allow the local auto manufacturers to raise prices, which is exactly what they would do.

I’ve started thinking the same. It’s one thing to be brainwashed into thinking this stuff is true, but I’m starting to think that mental illness plays a large role in it.