Yeah, that looks a lot closer than the wild conjecture that I replied to. Probably a few other parameters as well. It’s serious cheating, and I can’t believe that VW fell to this. I just wonder if it’s IT management that pushed it under the rug to look good for their bosses, or if senior/C-level management knew about…

Read your own comment again. This emissions device will turn on in the field, i.e. during everyday driving. Therefore, consumers will notice that, with these emissions systems ACTUALLY functioning, you’re going to take a hit to power and/or to fuel mileage. Probably reliability, as well. Once these parts start getting…

The 2025 regs are the tough ones, and they may need a different administration to renegotiate. Regardless though, Europe has even stricter regs coming down the pipe even sooner. It will take time for the industry to develop the technology to balance both the regulations and the desires of enthusiasts. I’m pointing out…

What are you, Detroit’s own Chicken Little?! None of your warnings of the sky falling are based in fact and the nonsense about an “activist bureaucracy” or its “fining protocols” curbing development could not be further from reality. Fines are levied for serious violations of clear laws — As VW did in the most brazen…

Hey, you don’t kill 20 million people and start a world war that ends with not one, but TWO atomic bombs and people just forget about it!

Agreed Doug. I almost don’t see how they could *avoid* criminal prosecution. This is way beyond any kind of negligence.

Not just emissions...deliberitely attempting to deceive the feds.

Sorry, but that’s backwards. The difference is that the car will have to be within limits during normal operation. Right now, the car only complies during the cheat mode used in testing. Something equivalent will have to be in operation all the time after the fix, and that will affect driveability, economy, or…

GM made an engineering error and then covered it up, breaking the law. VW made a calculated engineering decision to break the law and built it into countless cars.

Seems fair.

I think Dr Vegas works for VWoA

It looks like VW actively participated in fraud, as opposed to a defect that got missed in the chain of development.

Ah, but it will pass smog! The entire point is that the car is capable of recognizing when it’s on a dyno, and thus the emissions system makes the necessary adjustments to get it past smog. That’s why the current VW TDI owners have been doing just fine for the last seven years!

The difference is, GM didn’t put that defect in on purpose, and it took several crashes before they even knew there was a problem. Volkswagen actually designed their car specifically to evade federal and state law, which is legally much more serious than negligence.

Fraud far worse than negligence due to punitive damages.

In theory the EPA has the authority to demand VW buy back all effected vehicles and crush them

It’s an absolute lose-lose for Volkswagen. We now know they are not capable of manufacturing vehicles that offer the stated emissions, performance, and fuel economy levels without cheating. So if they recall the cars to bring their emissions levels back up to what they should be, this will affect either performance or…

Well, I have one, and I am not at all happy about this. And you bet I will get it fixed because I don’t want to drive around spewing mass pollution. If there are big hits to performance or fuel economy VW will have a class action lawsuit on their hands.

Beat me to it. It will likely effect performance and possible fuel economy.