It’s not about Tesla’s timeline, its the overall EV market in general. By 2020 all the premium brands will have competitive products and this Mission E design exercise will be dated. Hell, Hyundai could have a competitive product to market by then...

All this would be exciting and compelling if they were talking about a realistic timeline...2020? Are they kidding? This thing will be as fresh and competitive as the first NSX concept we saw in 2007

Actually, the percentage of Tesla buyers that fit your description of which I’ll summarize as “Musk Disciples” is far fewer than you think. They are certainly the most vocal and social media happy but the majority of buyers are simply green tinged status seekers. Once a more exclusive, faster, seemingly “cooler” EV is…

LD and HD are meaningless, superfluous, overall bullshit marking terms. Just because someone says something enough times doesn’t make it true. It’s like Nissa calling the Maxima a (4dr) sports car. It’s just not.

100%, totally agree.

Oops, missed you that. Thought he was talking half tonnes.

I dunno....no one I’ve ever talked to refers to half tonnes as “light duty”. The HD thing is just marketing BS and I have much disdain for marketing bullchit....

The Ford GT would like to talk to you about this “unique” side scoop feature....

That’s prob because they ALL look the similar proportionally. The new trend of comparing X to Y for general proportions and styling in the comments section is an annoying exercise in stating the obvious (and largely unavoidable).

While I agree with the stats they list, they are not “heavy duty” trucks (and pickuptrucks.com should know better...). They are class 2, light duty trucks.

It’s not about being “considered” HD, it’s about what the registered GVWR is. Regulations rely on GVWR for classifying vehicles.

How bout 30% more HP and TQ? The power differences are quite significant (240 vs 310 HP, 420 vs 555 TQ).

Right....and that’s why living in countries like Canada, the UK, Australia, Germany, France is so unsafe.

Do you really believe this? America is the most litigious country in the world by several orders of magnitude. It’s the reason healthcare is ridiculously expensive and is also the #1 cause of bankruptcies.

Welcome to America...land of the free to sue anybody over anything at anytime....

and for the 90% of cars that aren’t turbo?

No, you;re wrong. He’s no suggesting somehow increasing compression. Hes saying modern ECU’s actively manage the ignition advance based on a number of factors including the knock condition. They do have preset limits but with a tune you can allow the ECU to advance the spark further with higher octane while still…

There is a dyno sheet posted above proving it does.

We also don’t know of it will be mandatory outside California. You are speculating and stretching on many fronts to try and paint this is a bad deal. Why?

Ok, so a couple things: