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- The humans like pose a risk.

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Like do we wish we could do
these missions without humans?

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Like some engineers were
completing like, oh, we have

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to send humans there too.

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- Oh, and they want a window

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with this like harder to engineer.

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Yeah. It, it has to be both.

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And I mean, we are already
exploring Mars, right?

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I mean, and because those
robots did not build themselves,

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you know, we're, we're
getting the data that we need

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before we send humans.

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I think you are always going to need both.

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We joke around that the best
way to design your experiment

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for the space station is
so that no astronaut has

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to touch it because time is very precious.

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And it's also the way you
can guarantee that your,

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your experiment might never work.

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Yeah. So you just have to
do your best both ways.

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- And there are these mar simulations

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that they run on earth.

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Like there's one that's ongoing now

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and NASA just opened for
recruitment for I know. Yeah.

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- Just this like, just
- Exactly. Do you think these,

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- I thinking
- About it, I know I kind of am, honestly,

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I'm like, I could totally do it.

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But do you think these analogs
come close to the real thing?

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Can they simulate what

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- An actual machine, everything simulates.

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Like we do a lot of simulations,
you know, in different,

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you know, practicing,
launching and landing

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and space walking.

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And you always just have to think about

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what does this simulate
well and what does it not.

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Mm. And as long as you keep
those things, you know,

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straight in your head.

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I think, you know, you,
you were asking about

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maybe should we just not send
the squishy humans, right.

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Right. If we don't send the storytellers,

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there's no point in going,
this movie tells you

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that humans are there.

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And little bits about what
these few humans are like

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and what it might be when more go.