WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.090 --> 00:00:01.270 - So Elon Musk 2 00:00:02.160 --> 00:00:04.410 buys Twitter, do you think he regrets it now? 3 00:00:04.410 --> 00:00:05.610 All the effort that went into it, 4 00:00:05.610 --> 00:00:08.010 all the money that he's lost, or is it worth it because 5 00:00:08.010 --> 00:00:09.870 it's such a bigger platform for him? 6 00:00:09.870 --> 00:00:11.430 - You know, there are times he regrets it. 7 00:00:11.430 --> 00:00:13.980 There are times he says, "Man, AI is so important, 8 00:00:13.980 --> 00:00:16.110 I should be focusing on that. 9 00:00:16.110 --> 00:00:19.890 I wish I weren't having to spend so much time on Twitter." 10 00:00:19.890 --> 00:00:21.810 But then there's times like he's a giddy child. 11 00:00:21.810 --> 00:00:23.970 He's got the biggest playground in the world. 12 00:00:23.970 --> 00:00:27.090 He used to be beaten up when he was a kid on the playground. 13 00:00:27.090 --> 00:00:31.020 Now he owns it, and he's doing things that he really likes 14 00:00:31.020 --> 00:00:34.980 at Twitter, turning it into a payments platform, 15 00:00:34.980 --> 00:00:37.830 a place for content-like video. 16 00:00:37.830 --> 00:00:41.460 So, a lot of the times he's truly excited about it. 17 00:00:41.460 --> 00:00:43.260 - Is part of changing the name to X 18 00:00:43.260 --> 00:00:44.910 sort of erasing what happened before 19 00:00:44.910 --> 00:00:46.230 and putting his own stamp on it, 20 00:00:46.230 --> 00:00:48.990 almost as if he's starting it like from scratch? 21 00:00:48.990 --> 00:00:52.110 - Well, partly it's, he wants to create 22 00:00:52.110 --> 00:00:54.060 what he tried to do 20 years ago. 23 00:00:54.060 --> 00:00:57.690 When he a company called X that morphs into PayPal, 24 00:00:57.690 --> 00:01:00.420 and he wanted it to not just be a payments platform, 25 00:01:00.420 --> 00:01:02.490 but a social media, and payments, 26 00:01:02.490 --> 00:01:06.240 and content creation platform, sort of like WeChat 27 00:01:06.240 --> 00:01:07.407 or some of the Asian- - The everything App. 28 00:01:07.407 --> 00:01:08.850 - The everything app. 29 00:01:08.850 --> 00:01:11.670 And now he thinks he's making the everything app. 30 00:01:11.670 --> 00:01:14.490 - Artificial intelligence, it's the hot topic right now. 31 00:01:14.490 --> 00:01:17.430 I feel like it's one of the top topics on Elon Musk's mind. 32 00:01:17.430 --> 00:01:18.930 Obviously he has his own AI companies, 33 00:01:18.930 --> 00:01:22.233 he's invested in them from very early on, including OpenAI. 34 00:01:23.190 --> 00:01:26.520 He has this vision of AI as being almost apocalyptic 35 00:01:26.520 --> 00:01:27.630 if misused. 36 00:01:27.630 --> 00:01:29.880 Has he sold you in your conversations 37 00:01:29.880 --> 00:01:32.670 on his view of AI being 38 00:01:32.670 --> 00:01:35.550 dangerous if not carefully controlled or regulated? 39 00:01:35.550 --> 00:01:37.710 - Well, I think it may be dangerous 40 00:01:37.710 --> 00:01:40.740 but am I ever gonna be as apocalyptic as Elon Musk? 41 00:01:40.740 --> 00:01:42.780 I mean, he gets apocalyptic about things. 42 00:01:42.780 --> 00:01:45.930 He read Isaac Asimov novels far too often 43 00:01:45.930 --> 00:01:48.660 when he was a young kid sitting in the corner 44 00:01:48.660 --> 00:01:51.060 of the bookstore with no friends. 45 00:01:51.060 --> 00:01:55.860 And ever since he and Demis Hassabis and then Sam Altman 46 00:01:55.860 --> 00:01:57.900 were getting involved in this 10 years ago, 47 00:01:57.900 --> 00:02:01.800 he felt that artificial intelligence could wander off 48 00:02:01.800 --> 00:02:04.830 without us if we didn't put guardrails in. 49 00:02:04.830 --> 00:02:06.240 And that's what he's worried about now. 50 00:02:06.240 --> 00:02:08.760 - If we didn't make it sort of connect with us in a way. 51 00:02:08.760 --> 00:02:10.590 - Right, and that's what Neuralink is about. 52 00:02:10.590 --> 00:02:12.690 A chip in the brain that connects you directly 53 00:02:12.690 --> 00:02:15.630 to your computer so that there's an alignment, 54 00:02:15.630 --> 00:02:18.300 as you would say, between your will and agency 55 00:02:18.300 --> 00:02:19.860 and what your computers are doing. 56 00:02:19.860 --> 00:02:22.140 - What we want as people and what the computers want 57 00:02:22.140 --> 00:02:23.310 need to be in alignment. 58 00:02:23.310 --> 00:02:24.750 - Totally in alignment. 59 00:02:24.750 --> 00:02:27.240 And if you read a lot of science fiction, 60 00:02:27.240 --> 00:02:29.340 you worry that that ain't gonna happen. 61 00:02:29.340 --> 00:02:30.330 - A hundred years from now, 62 00:02:30.330 --> 00:02:33.000 another biographer is writing about Elon Musk from 63 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:34.080 further away in the future. 64 00:02:34.080 --> 00:02:36.630 Have we sanded off the rough edges? 65 00:02:36.630 --> 00:02:38.910 Has he become seen as a net force for good 66 00:02:38.910 --> 00:02:42.060 or do his darker impulses, that dark mode, 67 00:02:42.060 --> 00:02:44.280 does that win out in our historical view? 68 00:02:44.280 --> 00:02:46.830 - Well, in the end, the historical view 69 00:02:46.830 --> 00:02:48.810 is about the impact you had. 70 00:02:48.810 --> 00:02:53.580 His dark mode, him being a jerk or even an asshole at times, 71 00:02:53.580 --> 00:02:55.170 that'll be known. 72 00:02:55.170 --> 00:03:00.170 But if he truly gets rocket chips, that can get astronauts 73 00:03:00.390 --> 00:03:03.870 into orbit very regularly, eventually gets one to Mars, 74 00:03:03.870 --> 00:03:07.260 eventually brings us into self-driving vehicles. 75 00:03:07.260 --> 00:03:10.290 Brings us into the era of all EVs. 76 00:03:10.290 --> 00:03:14.460 I think he'll be seen, you can go back to Henry Ford, 77 00:03:14.460 --> 00:03:17.430 horrible guy in many ways, very rough edges. 78 00:03:17.430 --> 00:03:20.100 But we remember Henry Ford more for the Model T 79 00:03:20.100 --> 00:03:21.540 and the assembly line, 80 00:03:21.540 --> 00:03:25.164 even though we should remember the dark sides, too. 81 00:03:25.164 --> 00:03:28.247 (airy digital music)