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- [Narrator] The world is rotten.

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Bunch of soulless
bastards doing evil shit.

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(air whooshing sound effect)

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- So I also wanted to
sort of ask you guys your,

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thoughts on hope as a human condition,

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rather than like an angelic
condition or a godly condition.

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Because God is infallible,

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what need does God have for hope?

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He knows what's going to happen.

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And angels of course, they're
beings made up from God

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and they have faith, they don't need hope.

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So I'm wondering about how
hope plays into Leo's arc

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and how you guys think about it.

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(interviewee laughing)

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- What fantastic questions, really.

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- Yeah, you're awesome.

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- You're amazing.

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(interviewee laughing)

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I think that, 'cause I'm of
two minds, sometimes it's like,

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yeah man hope, hope's
the only thing you have.

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And the other thing is like,

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no, hope is like belief, it's clinging.

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Hope is clinging to some outcome.

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- Well, like everything else,
the double edged sword, right?

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I mean, sometimes hope can lead you

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right off the edge of the cliff,

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and sometimes you sprout wings and fly

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at the edge of the same cliff.

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So without hope, we're essentially fucked

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in the situation that...

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I'm sorry you don't like...

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In the situation that we are in,

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because we have to help one another.

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This thing is about empathy essentially,

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seeing someone, knowing they're suffering,

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suffering with them,
instead of numbing yourself

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to the things going on around
you and trying to help.

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And if you don't have hope,

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how the hell are you gonna help anybody,

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if you don't have hope that
someone's going to get better,

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or someone's going to feel better?

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There is no empathy without hope.

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And so I think if angels existed,

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they would probably be full of that shit.

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They would probably have hope
coming out of their ears,

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because they're supposed to
be these empathic feely thing,

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and help the thing, and kill
the thing if necessary. But,

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I believe that angels would have hope.

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And demons too.

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You get sick and they hope you fall down.

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(interviewees laughing)

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They hope your mom doesn't love you.

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(everyone laughing)

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