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- [Leah] I mean, what
I want is Tinsley back,

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but, you know, I mean I don't
even know if I'm coming back

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for season 14.

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(smooth pop music plays)

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- [Jennifer] Was there
more pressure to deliver

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on a season when there wasn't
much to tape during COVID?

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- [Leah] There was not
pressure. There was more like,

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"Hmm, this is difficult,
but this is hard."

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Like, "I'm not really in
a great mood right now."

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Like "My grandmother just died."

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We're talking about subjects that are like

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stressful to talk about
on a public platform.

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It was just a different vibe.

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- [Jennifer] This was sort of filmed

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at the height of the racial
tensions in the last two years.

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There's been a lot of
feedback on whether or not

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this season dealt too heavily
with race or social justice.

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What are your thoughts on that?

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- [Leah] I don't think that
people should be censored.

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Like I don't want Ramona censoring
me when I talk about sex.

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So I don't think that like,
people have a right to censor

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what Eboni wants to talk about.

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Has it landed well with people?

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I mean obviously I think we can all see

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that people do want to
watch the show to escape,

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but sometimes it doesn't
matter what people want.

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You know?

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Like people want to talk about
what they want to talk about.

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And also I'm not really sure
how we would have a show that's

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in New York City during this time

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and not have it be brought
up. Is this the best platform?

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It's the right place if it
helped make a difference

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in someone's brain or life.

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- [Ramona] I'll get my help on.

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- [Eboni] She says she get her help on?

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- [Jennifer] I think your point too,

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it's hard to avoid what's
happening in real life

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when this is supposed to do reality TV,

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is one to be considered.

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- [Leah] I think we did something

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that hadn't really been talked about

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on Real Housewives of New York,

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because there hadn't been
a black housewife before.

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I understand politics has
permeated every kind of aspect

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of our life. At this point,
it does get exhausting.

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So maybe people felt like
this is their last thing

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that politics has not touched.

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So people are reeling
and people are frustrated

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and you know, we're dealing with a country

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that's very divided.

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And obviously people are going
to be divided about the show,

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if we're talking about this stuff.

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I think people having
such a visceral reaction,

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if you want to look at
it in a positive way,

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it just means they love the show a lot.

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- I'm not putting on
the colonizers uniform.

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I can not do it.

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- [Jennifer] You read in
the news about this show

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every week.

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There's almost like daily
reports of something different

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happening in the cast.

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Is there anything that you can share

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about what's happening behind the scenes

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that you're experiencing?

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- [Leah] With the reports
of different things,

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I really don't know. I
don't know what's true

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and what's not true. I have no idea.

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The only thing I can say
is that us as a cast,

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we end on a really
wonderful note together.

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And we're not in that place anymore.

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- [Jennifer] Despite
what's true and not true,

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if you don't know that,

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what do you want to see personally
addressed at the reunion?

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- [Leah] Basically the
reunion needs to address

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not what happened during the
season when we were filming.

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We need to address everything
that's happened since then.

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Doing this show is very
complicated and it's complex

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and there's so many nuances
to it. There's what happens.

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There's what airs.
There's how you spin it.

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There's this, there's that.

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There's also, like, how you, like,

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react to everything publicly
when the show is airing.

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I handled it much differently this season

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than I did last season.

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Last season, before one of the episodes,

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I like did this whole Instagram post

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and like dragged Ramona.

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And like, I would never do that now.

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I feel like I've kind of
just been like a bit quiet

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in terms of the press and show

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and like what I've been saying
on social media and stuff.

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And for me, I liked that approach better.

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And I think that it works
better for all of us

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when we do that.

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But like, you know, everyone's
got to do what they gotta do.

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- [Jennifer] Is there ever
a point with sort of like

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spillover drama off the
screen where you decide like,

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you know what, I'm good with reality TV?

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- [Leah] Yeah, I'd probably
think that, you know,

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once a week or more. Maybe once a day.

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(Leah laughs)

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It's a double-edged
sword, like most things,

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but the good definitely
outweighs the bad, for sure.

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Once it starts to not,
then it's time to move on.

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- [Bleep] . You're full of [Beep].

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- [Jennifer] If you were to
stay on the show and you know,

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there's a shakeup and they
want to bring back some OGs.

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Who do you think you'd really jive with?

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- [Leah] I would love Bethany.

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I would love, I've never met Bethany.

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So that would be amazing.

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Carol, probably not because
she blocked me on Instagram

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and I have no idea why.

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- [Jennifer] Would you like
to see Dorinda come back?

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- [Leah] Yeah. I love Dorinda.

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She was always like in my
corner and always right there,

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to get to Ramona with me.

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(Leah laughs)

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So it was like a big loss,
not having her around anymore.